I agree on the DVDA upgrade needed. I've actually been thinking about buying one of the new dual boot macs just for DVD Studio Pro and FCP.

David

WHATEVER!!! - I'm AT nab and didn't know that. LOL

Guess I'm too busy working though.

Dave

Well, that certainly changed my life...

If it supports Blu-Ray, it would be extremely wise of Sony to bundle it (or a lite version) with their new Blu-Ray drives. Sales and visibility/interest in the entire lineup of Sony Media Software would increase.

what is the exact date of the release Nostradamus ?

please give me my tracking # also.

Sean

"So, my 100% accurate rumor, that I stated on March 13th, that Vegas 7 would be released in the fall, is no longer a rumor.

No supposition, No guesswork, just facts!"



So you're tooting your own horn, Jay? Sorry, but it's sad if you have to come on here and prove yourself right even siting the date and time.

cheno

Ah, but can anyone shed any light on features, fixes, improvements etc (for both Vegas and DVDA) or is all of that still under wraps?

Sorry, but when your last "100% accurate rumor" (which sounds like an oxymoron to me) said that Vegas 6d would have support for panasonic's HVX (which it does not), I have to say that your batting average isn't all that great.

Keep swinging tho, maybe you'll get better.

And I'm glad that you're glad that you were right about this one :)

Jive,

I think that you have attributed what someone else may have said, to something that I have never ever said, claimed, or posted about.

If you think that you are correct, then please point me to the alledged post. If you are correct, I will acknowledge your claim. If you cannot prove your false assertion, then retract it.

Jay Mitchell
SCVUG

well pu tit this way, with the current activity on the Sony front with the BlueRay format, codecs, hardware, HD, HDV, DVCPRoHD, blah balh blah, it wouldnt srurpirse me if Sony are hanging back until al this is sorted before they go any furhter with Vegas.. .

Or i might be copletely wrong and they might just not have it ready for release or, they may have seen Prem Pro 2 and decided that Vegas' next step up is to compete with it (which is in fact its direct competitor), and then youve got the Matrox RTx2, Edius SP, Avid Liquid yadda yadda... and who knows, maybe we'll see some major improvements, maybe we wont.
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What i dont understand is why Sony themselves choose the Beta testers in the manner they choose them, as with V4, the beta release was offered to everyone, now, its to a select few which is understandable BUT i have noticed that instead of troublshoooting the bugs and working out the kinks, theyre spending more time writing books and creating DVD's so they can get their tutorials on the shelf before anyone else can and cash in on their privilidged positions of being a beta tester..
Yeah sure beta testing is free, and teh time wasted on testing needs to be made up somehow, but hey, thats their choice to take on that role.
Im sure there are plenty of people out there wanting to test and offer considerable input without the need to make afew bux. To them, and to most of us, a stable and comprehensive program is all thats needed to make up the time lost (or should that read $$ lost due to time)
Witha decent working system, youll make your money back in no time..
Some poeple wont agree with me about the way i see things, but i see what i see and i say it he way i see it.

I can assure that there are many users here on this board in fact, who know as much about the program and its workings, if not more than some official beta testers. From those i have spoken to in the past it just seems that Sony are being tight lipped about Vegas, and that is understandable to a point, but lets face it, Vegas 5 and Vegas6 releases were duds at launch and it was at that time where the program started to come through into the NLE market, and it was at THAT time where beta testing was kept "internally" to the selcet few, and it was at that time that all the dvds and tutes started coming out.. pretty obvious undertakings if u ask me
By the time V7 comes out, there will be tutes and all coming angles, and it wont be a matter of months to write these books and create these dvds, it will be a matter of days...
Same thing happened with Vegas 6, and while we as users suffered the bugs of an underdeveloped application, those beta testers who took on the responsibility of a tester didnt do what that they had promised to do..
Sorry but to me, being a Beta tester is a responsibility in itself. Hell i use to test Pinnacle Liquid, from 4 through to Avids acquisition of the program (6.1), and every single bug, (were talking 7 pages of one particualr bug report... which included fixes) were provided and each and every one of those bugs was responded to either directly to me to reproduce the problem, or by fixing the problem directly. I can talk about it now, coz i no longer test, but THIS is how Beta testing SHOULD work... none of this.. oh great, ive got the new Vegas, im gonna write a book about it and release that book on launch of the program, hell ill even offer afew copies with the program itself ....

Hang on a sec.. if the prgram isa dud.. whats the point?? seriosuly guys.. get a grip on reality..

Ive noticed that instead of testing, theyre working out ways to milk the software and iits users for all their worth..
Yes there is a market for tutes etc, but in all seriousness, teh focis should be on the NLE first... it jstu seems taht people have their own agenda's and Sony are either blind to it, or choose to be blind to it...
IMO, its pathetic and its not the way it should work...

Either way, when Vegas 4 was beta released all those years ago, it was virtually flawless at the time of release, albeit for some slight mechanical bugs due to different PC configurations, but as a whole, it was the perfect system upon release.
It was also probably one of the most significant changes to the way vegas works and features it offers with so many new elements that EVERY competitor changed the way THEY do things to keep up..

Sorry if i sound grumpy, but im really sick of the bollox that surround this program and all the crap thats followed along. Upon release i KNOW there will be a hundreds of people bitching and moaning, if we go by the standards V6 set.. and the only people to blame for that screw up is the testers themselves, then the developers, who in their own right, are obliged to rectify any issues if raised, and if, and only if, they dont rectify these issues.. THEN you can blame the developers.. coz without the testers, the Devs dont know how the program works in the real world. Its a simple equation..

All i hope for V7 is that the testers themselves take the bugger seriously and actually do what they signed up to do as testers as opposed to cashing in on it..

I dotn care what features it wil have, obviousyl it will follow on the trend of new codecs, formats and media management, maybe therell be afew bonus' and extras, maybe therell be afew elements which are totally unusable (as an example, I hope Cinesound ISNT a part of V7... the Cinesound has no bearing on my work as i already run a music studio, why would i want canned music?? For some it will be worth it, but i'd rather put my cash towards somethign a little more plausible for my studio as an individual entity (AVID like bundles woul dbe a better option IMO, as with avid, u can chop and change what u need and dont need with the option to upgrade later... ) but if V7 is a canned NLE, then i wont bother..

Another thing i dont want to see is embeded DVD authoring on the timeline. WHY THE HELL WOULD ANY PROFESSIONAL WANT THAT? What if i dont want to use Mainconcept mpg encoder.. what if i want to use Procoder 2 for my dvds (which incidentlay costs AS MUCH as vegas on its own.. and rightly so, its a god clean program and does what it says it does a hellofalot faster than Mainconcept ever could.. ) Also the canopus codec poos on the mainconcept codec pure and simple... Run the mainconcept encoder on its own though (the MC MPG encoder standalone program) and the bugger flies 3 times realtime.. why cant vegas utlise this kind of grunt...??

All i want is the tools to do my job.. i dont want to be told HOW to do my job.. i know my job... ive been doing the bloody thing for 11 years now..

Sony if your listening, take heed.. we dont want canned crap.. just give us a working application and youll have a bunch of happy campers..


Rant over

I wont touch the beta testing statements. I cant speak for everyone so I wont.

"Another thing i dont want to see is embeded DVD authoring on the timeline. WHY THE HELL WOULD ANY PROFESSIONAL WANT THAT? What if i dont want to use Mainconcept mpg encoder.. what if i want to use Procoder 2 for my dvds (which incidentlay costs AS MUCH as vegas on its own.. and rightly so, its a god clean program and does what it says it does a hellofalot faster than Mainconcept ever could.. ) Also the canopus codec poos on the mainconcept codec pure and simple... Run the mainconcept encoder on its own though (the MC MPG encoder standalone program) and the bugger flies 3 times realtime.. why cant vegas utlise this kind of grunt...?? "


Umm, Im pretty sure Sony hasnt taken out the feature to render to avi which you can then throw into the transcoder of your choice. If you are complaining about not having Canopus encoder accessible to Vegas, then bitch to Canopus and get them to provide the framework or have them release a plugin (Vegas SDk is available).

Personally, I am not suprised that nothing was released at NAB. My reasoning is simply the fact that Sony does not want to provide users ways to create HD DVD discs especially when BD isnt ready yet. That would defeat the whole purpose of it. Any release short of offering next generation HD DVD/BD authoring would be a complete and utter disappointment. I think Sony is holding back until both formats hit the market and prevent HD DVD from capturing Vegas users and shutting Sony out of their own market.

Its also possible that the delay is just that. A delay to fix all the bugs that has happened in the past so we can avoid posts like this bitching and complaining about other people making money from a service they arent paid to do and generally do it because they love the product and want to help others out.

I am all for more testers but to complain about testers not catching everything is stupid honestly. But I guess since we dont have Vegas 7 bugs to bitch about we can always find something else.

Jay I think the reason the poster assumes you said it is because this post and the post linked above use basically the same langauage about 100% accurate rumor. If its accurate, its NOT a rumor. Its just an unreleased informational fact. Rumor is gross specualtion based on no knowledge but more so on hopes and wishes with no foundation to base it on.

DJPadre, I think your right about this issue. Sony was embarrsed with v6 release when the FX filters got by all testers, beta and sony testers. That error hurt marketing, as well as all users. Sony of Japen is still sorting out this issue, can you imagine the heads that would roll if a camera firmware operated in reverse of selection. V6d was nice but still needs more. If V7 has any "bad" moments, don't be surprise if Sony of Japen forces Sony of America to "fix" this division. Sony will accept marketing failures as cost of doing business in an open market, but engineering failure is the "Kiss if Death".
Fortunely for our guys,(vegas programmers), Sony of Japen is very focus on BluRAy, PSP3, HD TV, cameras....etc...movies....etc.. , so that our guys can really make V7 clean and mean and V6 can be forgotten. Vegas marketing needs tutorials and books for new versions, but v6 pointed out the problem of using beta testers exclusively for media content.

Perhaps it was someone else posing as Jay Mitchell, but a post on DVXUser.com signed "Jay Mitchell/SCVUG"said that Vegas would have support for the HVX200 in Vegas 6d. These days though, people sign in on forums with all kinds of names, so it easily could have been an imposter.

u know its funny, alot of people say alot of things, but in all honesty, much like the HD delivery issue at this time, i say wait until it hits the streets, then u can start to worry about it..

until then, its in the hands of the Devs and Testers

Spot,

Below, is the actual DVXUser post, that you offer as proof in support of Jive's, false assertion, that I claimed that Vegas 6d would support HVX200.. That post was copied and pasted from the SCVUG Forum onto DVXUser, by a person named Dusterdoo. Dusterdoo, correctly attributes the post coming from the SCVUG. I am the author of the post.

The problem is, that nowhere in my post, do I ever mention anything at all, about Vegas 6d having support for the Panasonic HVX-200.

My post, solely and only say's that Vegas 6d, will be released soon.

Where in this below DVXUser post, do you see, as you claim as proof, that there is any comment about the HVX200, attributed to me?

Jay Mitchell

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I know there is alot of talk this time of year about upgrades and new
releases. Especially, with NAB in April.

So, I have always passed along 100% accurate rumors over the years
about what is coming next.

So, here is a rumor that you can take to the bank.

Vegas 6.0d will be released, soon.

Can't say anything more.

Jay Mitchell
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Cool it, gents. No need to get excited about this. Let's not let this thread degenerate so we have to call in the Sony sherriff. They all have better things to do.

Jay, how about your 100% accurate rumor on the red camera, along with what new features will be included in the next release of Vegas.

thanks

Possibly the form of Jay's comment was misinterpreted by the reader. Seeing a separate sentence saying "Here is a rumor you can take to the bank," the reader may have thought (obviously incorrectly but perhaps not dishonestly) that the comment referred to the subjects discussed in the post it was replying to. If Mr. Mitchell had instead used a colon with no line break, and said "Here is a rumor you can take to the bank: Vegas 6.0d will be released, soon," that would be impossible to misconstrue.

But then again, I'm a lawyer. Looking for the middle ground is an occupational hazard.

Can't we all just get along?

I'm kidding, but not really. If we want other people to jump on the Vegas bandwagon, we need to stop the bickering and defensiveness.

Haven't we had enough of that already?

this is peaches and cream compared to a what it once was.
Its all good.