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Cliff Etzel wrote on 9/11/2006, 9:54 AM
I think my biggest gripe is lack of third party plugins like SteadyMove for Ppro. After trying the kludge of using DeShaker, I finally gave up on it - it's too cumbersome to drop into VirtualDub and then load Deshaker - why can't Vegas incorporate that into the app or at least get someone to develop a third party plugin that actually works within Vegas? I don't have a need for all the other special effects crap that unfortunately is integrated with Vegas (All the cheezy dissolves and transitions specifically). Gimme a no frills app that can do what PPro does with less resource overhead than PPro and SONY could seriously kick A$$...

After seeing several threads here lately about some people discussing possible defection to PPro, I can see why. I have yet to find an easier workflow than Vegas, but PPro wasn't too bad and I find it's interface more productive.

I love Acid Pro - too bad, Vegas seems stuck from my opinion... :-/
David Arbogast wrote on 9/11/2006, 10:02 AM
a Vegas specific comprehensive user defineable user interface (not tied to the Windows themes): user defineable colors, fonts, etc.
Cliff Etzel wrote on 9/11/2006, 10:12 AM
Get rid of the trimmer and replace it with an industry standard preview/trimmer window like FCP, AVID, and Ppro has...

I would say also, full support for 10bit color - My parents just purchased one of the new 1080P HD tv's and I was absolutely blown away (A SONY I might add).

Now I understand what all the hubub is about for HDV.
[r]Evolution wrote on 9/11/2006, 11:04 AM
Get rid of the trimmer and replace it with an industry standard preview/trimmer window like FCP, AVID, and Ppro has... (and all other NLE's)

I second both of these.
Maybe give you the option of going with the Trimmer or the Standard Source/Record windows.
JJKizak wrote on 9/11/2006, 11:09 AM
I could care less about a trimmer and am glad I can make it invisable.
JJK
je@on wrote on 9/11/2006, 1:00 PM
My Trimmer doesn't get much use. One of the great thing about Vegas is the ability to edit (trim) right on the timeline. I know many Veditors (?) who work like this and it eliminates a lot of mouse clicks (keystrokes) unlike the 2-window apps. I've never seen FCP, PP or Avid used in this manner. There really is no need for the 2nd Prev/Trim monitor (window) IMHO. Of course, your mileage may vary...
ibliss wrote on 9/11/2006, 1:54 PM
Trimmer is a good thing for me. No point taking it out, it seems to be a 50-50 split between users/non-users.

* Let's have folder tracks (like ACID). Should have been in V7.

* Let's have Velocity envelopes for audio. Could have been in V7.

* Let's have per-event, automated audio effects (as per video events).

* MIDI support (and VSTi). Do you video guys know just how many free/cheap MIDI files there are out there that you could use in your projects?

* Let's have a dedicated LFE send from the surround panner (as per centre channel), instead of this dumb create-duplicate-track-for-LFE situation we have suffered for the last few updates.

* Multichannel audio track/grouped audio track and 5.1 plugins.

* General audio plugin overhaul.

* oh okay, update the credit/text generator.

Yes, lots of audio stuff. Sony seem to listen more to the video guys, thought they might notice this one.
rmack350 wrote on 9/11/2006, 3:13 PM
10bit is good but your folks new TV is 8-bit. They all are.

Rob Mack
rmack350 wrote on 9/11/2006, 3:16 PM
My last project made pretty heavy use of the trimmer. Generally, a trimmer gets more use if you can do things with it, like apply and preview mediaFX, mark clip regions, etc.

I'm about to start a refresh of that same project and now that I understand it's usefulness will use the trimmer even more.

This is not to say that the trimmer couldn't look and act more like a "Source" window (which is still a trimmer, btw)

Rob Mack
MarkMc wrote on 9/11/2006, 4:04 PM
I find the trimmer very useful. We sometimes shoot 6-8 commercials in an evening. I'll capture the whole tape, put the clip in the trimmer and mark off good takes as regions and name them with comments ect. While I'm doing this I watch the video on my tv monitor not the computer-no need to have a "source/record" preview on the computer.Isn'tthe "source/record" preview an outdated work model based on vcrs? Once I've gone through the clip I just start selecting the regions from the trimmer.
corug7 wrote on 9/11/2006, 4:09 PM
Hey guys, how about a Vegas 7 build X Wishlist instead? We haven't even purchased this version and you're talking about buying the next.
Logan5 wrote on 9/11/2006, 4:35 PM
My old NLE had a great “trimmer” – I’ll have to get some video of its work flow sometime.

It didn’t need to create “subclips” nor have a 2nd preview window open.

I never use the Vegas trimmer – but I used my old NLE trim frequently.
rmack350 wrote on 9/11/2006, 5:20 PM
Was it Media100? That program used to work that way. The trimmer would just use the same preview window. I've noticed that lately they've gone to the two window viewer like everyone else.

The m100 trimmer was one of those that did a lot and had good reasons for existing.

Rob Mack
ibliss wrote on 9/11/2006, 5:39 PM
"Hey guys, how about a Vegas 7 build X Wishlist instead? We haven't even purchased this version and you're talking about buying the next.

Becuase Sony don't do feature updates in with build revisions. Well, this seems to be the line they feed us whenever we ask for a feature to be implemented before the next version number comes out.

They only put new features in new versions. (I think a couple of times rule has been broken).
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/11/2006, 6:09 PM
Perhaps a better understanding of how the LFE track was designed to be used would be appropriate. Duplicating a track for LFE output is a sure-fire recipe for generating mud in the mix.
Holman's book, Dolby's website, Jeffery Fisher's book on Surround are all good resources to better comprehend LFE.
ibliss wrote on 9/11/2006, 6:58 PM
Some interesting stuff.

so is this:

Another concern of Rik's is the upper roll-off frequency for the sub. "If you go back to when Dolby Digital was invented in 1991, the sub roll-off was set at 120Hz, and that was fine for film use, but they didn't envisage dance music producers coming along and wanting to use it. Around four years ago, Dolby themselves were recommending that those mixing music should steer clear of the sub altogether, but once you start creating music for 5.1, as opposed to just mixing existing music in surround, the sub's extra low-frequency control is useful. I roll mine off at 66Hz so that what is coming through the sub is really only the very low-frequency, gut-moving stuff, and it falls below the range of a typical full-range system. Pianos will cross over that 66Hz point at the low end, but I don't mix any of that into the sub because it can tend to make everything a bit 'washy'. With bass guitars, I might send a little to the sub, but not much. Percussive bass synths can sound good with some low end fed to the sub, though. It's a personal thing, but I like using it just to reinforce, say, the bottom end of kick drums and things like that, so that they really hit you in the chest.
jwcarney wrote on 9/11/2006, 6:59 PM
Not sure about going to 7, I know I'm not waiting around for 8. Might switch over to ACID and dump Vegas all together. Thanks for getting me into Vegas Spot, but time to move on when winter comes around.

No hard feelings Madison, It's been a great run.
I am no longer in your target market. (No whining, just observing).
jwcarney wrote on 9/11/2006, 7:02 PM
I wonder how professional musicians feel about Cinescore. I have no use for it.
fldave wrote on 9/11/2006, 7:14 PM
Cinescore is not meant to replace professional musicians. For fill-in and background, I think it may work for me.
DJPadre wrote on 9/11/2006, 9:54 PM
* Let's have a dedicated LFE send from the surround panner (as per centre channel), instead of this dumb create-duplicate-track-for-LFE situation we have suffered for the last few updates.

I'd rather not....i prefer to manage my LFE preciesly ot he rollof in whch im wanting to achieve. To integrate the channels, would leave me restricted to using global filtering and compressiosn which not onl affect the lfe, but also affect the actual stereo tracks response..

Ben  wrote on 9/12/2006, 3:18 AM
>> They only put new features in new versions. (I think a couple of times rule has been broken). <<

Yep, the rule has been broken this time - they decided not to put any new features in the new version either.

DGates wrote on 9/12/2006, 4:03 AM
So the lack of a stabilizer makes you think Vegas isn't worthy? How about just shooting steadier footage? A tripod maybe? = P

Just messing with ya. I too use SteayMove in my very old Premiere app (P6). It's the only time I use the nasty thing. Yes, it would be nice if Vegas had SteadyMove, but they don't. Doesn't bother me any. I don't need to correct shaky footage that much, and you can only correct it so much. Certainly *not* a dealbreaker.