american cinema editors

http://ace-filmeditors.org/newace/home.html

If you look at cinematographer credits, they often say ASC or BSC. Which is American Society of Cinematographers. BSC is British Society of Cinematographers. It's a Some folks are both.

Roger Deakins belongs to both.

They are honorary societies of film craftsmen.

It does not mean Avid Certified Editor.
doh!

i feel that much smarter. good thing i aksed it, rather than stating as if it were fact....

but then again, it debunks this whole thread... DOH.

wait a 0:01:00.00, a buddy of mine got certified as a FCP editor, or was I just sleepy when I saw his certificate on the wall?

But there will be a Vegas Certification program coming very soon. This summer I believe.

Hopefully Vegas 7 will have some kickass mastering tools and we will see credits like you noted on some big budget films.

I'm jumpin' on that.

One day, VEGAS will rule the Editing world!! Mwah hah haha.

although ACE does not mean what you thought , AVID does have certification programs, FCP probably also ,not sure how far they go, but you complete a training session of a couple or 3 days and you do get to be a certified avid editor , completing level 1, then 2 etc I got a few since I was lucky enough to pay a grand each to attend , they are somewhere,, I did make some good money on ebay from the gigantic AVID training books they "give " you.

What would be an 'entry level' Avid editing job after getting a certification or two? In say, Burbank?

That cert might get you the interview ,MIGHT, aint goin get ya the job.
Cert or no cert , gotta know how to edit, on whatever system you are marketing yourself with.
IMHO

it'll be a really sad reflection on the company hiring you when an 'editing' cert gets you the job!
in 30+ years in the industry the only thing i've ever presented, and alater looked at is a show reel.

any good editor can move from fcp to avid to vegas - perhaps not knowing all the tweaks, bells and whistles, but enough to cut a program together on any one of them.

leslie

At the risk of sounding like a real jerk, what benefit/advantage will there be to having been certified as a Vegas editor? Outside of Vegas editors, who cares?

..........Outside of Vegas editors, who cares?
Sony $$$

Actually, many corporations and organizations care. They wanna know who has been adjudicated by a manufacturer as being proficient to a certain level of training. What they do with the training will remain to be seen, but the point is, certification is required in some companies and larger worship organizations.
AVID training at NAB East and West are always sold out, so is FCS, and the Premiere classes are filling up too. it's time for Vegas to have a real, verified cert course if it's gonna keep up.

I believe the majority of students that attend the certification programs for editing fall into two categories.
A. Those already employed and sent by their employer
And Roman numeral II those trying to better themselves and hone their skills.
Of course , this is just an opinion . In the AVID classes I took, I was the only person “honing” my skills, all others were there on their employers nickel .

It just depends - If you want to be able to hire someone who you won't hear the words "ummmm.... I don't know how to do that, what did you want???" Certification helps - because you know that they DO know how to do that, and are more willing to hire them knowing that you're not going to have to

A) Can them and get someone else.
B) Have your creativity blocked by ignorance
C) Miss your deadline

All pretty powerfull reasons to use certified over non. If you don't have previous experience with them that is, plus if you ever want to fill out a resume Vegas certified or Vegas level X certified will look better than no certification.

Anyway, that's my take for what it's worth.

Mind you, since most of my work is for myself - currently I don't know if Certification would be good for me, but I don't see it being bad for me, and if I ever get asked, I'd like to say Yes, so I'll be interested in certification, especially since I end up doing a lot of work for out of state folks these days.

Dave

> it's time for Vegas to have a real, verified cert course if it's gonna keep up

So Spot - When you gonna start teaching that class??? (I'm sure you could twist JR's arm to help as well).

Patience, Bruce....patience. ;-)
The cert tour was announced at NAB last year, and hit some snags. It was re-announced this year by Sony, and you should hear some news sometime very soon.

I used to do a lot of lighting work for Kaiser Permanente in Oakland. They had a very small stage, location kits, and three edit suites. I have no idea what they were using to edit. The department had used Super 8 initially. Before my time.

While this particular operation wouldn't have used Vegas, a similar operation would be a very likely candidate. Most likely they would have hired producers and expected them to also edit.

This brings up another thought though...Vegas needs more tools to integrate it into a multisuite facility. If you can do that better and make Vegas compelling for that sort of facility then the certification starts to make sense because editors will be passing through. Owner/Operator businesses probably don't need certified editors.

Rob Mack

Certification or not....

I personally would love to spend a week totally immersed in a Vegas class.

Had that opportunity last summer at Stanford with Keith Kolbo teaching (a DMN sponsored class) and it was the best week of learning. Being able to stop and ask questions as they came up, while working hands-on a computer was absolutely wonderful and it helped demystify a whole lot of what Vegas can do.
Keith was a saint for not losing his patience with us and our endless interruptions! Excellent teacher.
Unforetunately, the class is not offered this year probably due to poor turnout last year, which I believe was due to poor promotion. It was by chance I even heard about it and I jumped the minute I saw it was within commute distance from where I live.

How many of you would be interested in spending a full week at a class for about $1000?
I would do it again in a heartbeat, still have so much more to learn and its a whole lot more fun than wading thru manuals, forums, and instructional dvds. Being in a class with other like minded Vegas junkies....doesn't get much better than that!

Teaktart

$1000 for a week is kinda steep. I'd just use that money on the entire VASST Absolute Training DVD set. I already bought the Seminar Series, but it's not as in depth as VASST's offering.

Actually, I think they go hand in hand. If you've seen Spot teach or do a seminar, you know that there's no better way to learn. But, it isn't always hands-on, unfortunately. When it is, it's the best. Next-best is the seminar approach with notes, where you can refer back to things using the vasst dvd's as more of a reference tool.

Fridge said..currently I don't know if Certification would be good for me, but I don't see it being bad for me,

I agree, I cant imagine how it could be bad,, at the very least i could see going through the program to learn some stuff i undoubtedly missed along the way.