Anytime we read a mail is coming from Satish we know it will be very good news :-)
Can't await it, Satish!

Marco

Can you please tell me what a Frameserver is?

Thanks

check this.

Edit: it just occured to me that this plugin will finally allow for decent still sequence renders routed through VirtualDub! Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, Satish consider me a disciple.

Why don't your Winmorph 3 support win2000?

i think i will fall off my chair when i see this...everyone is going to use it if you get it going satish. It will be a very special day. :)

I hope Sofo will be very embarrassed... they did not/could not implement it themselves, and could not see the potential reasons for doing so.

blackout

Luxo,
...decent still sequence renders routed through VirtualDub!

How do you mean, and what would you accomplish? (You see I don't know much about VirtualDub.)
Tor

I'll ask the same question that Kirk asked---what is frameserver?

JJK

JJ - Mmmm... maybe better than what is it - what can it do and what value will add to my V4 editing workflow?

Well . . that's for me anyway

Grazie

Blackout wrote: "I hope Sofo will be very embarrassed... they did not/could not implement it themselves, and could not see the potential reasons for doing so."

Well, *I* am so proud !!! I did it ! I raised the issue to Satish here:
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=138910

And now we will *see* it !!!

You are right, SoFo did not see the potential 4 months ago, well before v4 was wrapped. And now Satish tells them...

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** Satish Rocks !!! **
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(lousy font ... sorry!)

Well, what next ? Rotoscopy, maybe :)))) ??

I read the above re: frameserving but as a newbie to video editing I am a bit still foggy about its usage. Would someone be able to give me a typical example as to where you would use it? It might help to clear up the fog.

Steve

Would this be a way around SoFo's closed codec? Could I feed something to After Effects using the frameserver plugin, make edits in After Effects, and have Vegas recognize the results, without rendering to an uncompressed file first?

you should go to www.dvdrhelp.com steve672 and read...and read ...and read.

frameserving is basically to avoid rendering to an avi 3 times to use 3 programs. If you have a 2 hour movie you need to render, you need 2 or 3 times the space. Plus the loss of quality every time (if youre not using Huffys codec.).

Using frameserving you could use, say, Cinemacraft mpeg2 Encoder instead of the mpeg2 encoder that Sofo force you to use.

Blackout, thank you! I think I have a working grasp of it now.

Steve

It does support. Are you having problems?

Blackout's explanation of a frameserver is very good but perhaps not as basic as some would like. Perhaps I can simplify a bit.

A Frameserver is a translator. It accepts source video from from one application (in that application's format) and transforms that video into a format that can be used by another application. A frameserver does not create files. Rather, it streams data from the source application to the target application on a frame by frame basis.

A Vegas frameserver plugin would allow you to send video directly from Vegas to another application without first being required to render the native Vegas format to a common file type, such as .avi.

In the best of all possible worlds, a frameserver plugin would allow you to use a stand-alone video application in exactly the same manner you now use the effects plugins - just as if the seperate application were fully integrated into Vegas.

JackHughs

Any Idea on the performance of frameserving it sounds pretty heavy

How interactive will it feel

I read you have tested it on other OS but not win2000 so I thought you have left us out. Thanks for your great work, Satish.

I read you have tested it on other OS but not win2000 so I thought you have left us out. Thanks for your great work, Satish.

I guess I'm also not clear on what frameserving with vegas will do. Is this the equivalent of reference files on FCP? (Sorry ex-FCP user here)
In short, will I be able to use my source AND render files in another program without the need to render out a new file?
If so (which is what I'm understanding), does this frameserving method require that both programs be open at the same time? This is where I get confused. FCP reference file creates a little text file with a .mov extention (for example) which any other program that can recognize .mov files will play. However, this file is usually just a few kb because it just contains references to the actual already existing source and render files.

Please verify, because I'm already excited because I believe no matter what, it'll be something great from satish!

it's like a virtual video cable from program to program...

Yes, you will be able to "render out" via the frameserver plugin. This will create a "fake" avi (signpost) that another program can open as if it were a real avi file. Both application will need to be open.

Imagine a frame-accurate conveyor belt (virtual) that provides the video stream to the receiving application when it so demands. This allows programs like VirtualDub, CCE, TMPG, and Procorder, just to mention a few, access to your Vegas time-line without a prerender of any kind.

Pure video served dry and chill :) to any thirsty video application that can open an AVI file. BTW, avisynth can open the signpost AVI file also so all kinds of possibilities jump out at you.

Blackout:

I am sorry to read that you hope we will be embarrassed by this. Far from it, in fact, we are very happy to hear about it, and are working with Satish on any questions he has while he has been working on it, and any of his other very fine plug-ins. This is an excellent third party add-on to Vegas 4. Why do you think we made FX, Transitions, and File Formats all plug-ins? If we have to develop every single feature ourselves, then Vegas will never reach the heights that other products have, because those products rest on the shoulders of those who have embraced and extended them. Third party support, through commercial products like Pixelan's SpiceMaster 2 to Boris Red to Satish's free plug-ins are a wonderful thing for Vegas 4. I don't understand why you have to find something negative to say about this good news.

Also, I am personally offended when you say we "could not implement it" and "could not see the potential reasons for doing so". We consider many ideas for future features, and some just don't make the cut. Please don't go judging our abilities because your favorite feature didn't make it for a given version of the program. Likewise, just because we don't implement something doesn't mean we think it has no value. Frame serving just didn't rank up there with 3-wheel color correction, scopes, 24p, HD, keyboard editing, etcetera. Infinite resources we do not have.

We too say "thank you" to Satish for his efforts.

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