I try and capture full tapes but less than half will capture into full files. Most split into3-5 separate files and the splits seem to occur at points where the camera is turned off when shooting. I wonder if there are HDV drops that are occuring and causing problems with peak building?? When looking at the footage I don't notice any drops. If the peak building problem occured in V6 or was only on 1 system then I might attribute it to something other than V7 but V6 builds them fine and it occurs on multiple machines...

In addition to the two black frame bug, I often get a couple of m2t clips that will consistantly crash Vegas. I'm getting around this by using Cineform Neo.

On my current project which included two hour long tapes of HDV footage, I had exactly two clips that would immediately crash vegas any time they were played from a Vegas timeline. They were both good clips that played fine from WMP and had good content. I converted the whole project to Neo HDV using HDlink and have had no problems since.

Since I have an older single core P4, I still use Gearshift and proxies for editing. I am currently using both the Gearshift proxies and Neo HDV. Of course this is sort of redundant and silly, since if I'm using proxies, I may as well use the smaller first generation m2t clips. I would except for the black frames and the the fact that some m2t clips will crash Vegas. As soon as Sony fixes these remaining native m2t editing bugs, I'll probably go back to editing via m2t clips and Gearshift proxies.

Hopefully these remaining m2t editing problems will be fixed soon. I'm not going to switch platforms or anything, but these problems do cost me a lot of time on a regular basis. In the mean time, Neo editing with Vegas is pretty much bug free.

Because of the volume of work I do and the workflow I stay away from cineform because of the file sizes. I already have 40+ external hard drives and burn them up too fast on 11GB m2t files 40GB cineform files take up too much space and burn the drives up even faster.

With the release of CS3 and FCS2 I can't believe Sony hasn't even leaked any upcoming feature lists for V8 and DVDA. Makes me think it is going to be a dissapointment in comparison to the current market offering and it is just about putting me over the edge... Ugh...

Sony never leaks anything about upcoming releases. You can think whatever you want.

I'll be going back to m2t editing once the two black frame and other bugs are fixed as well. I'll use Neo for anything that needs to be rerendered but m2t for the raw footage. Vegas is almost there for raw m2t editing, but close is not good enough for actual work. I really hope Madison realizes what a priority this should be.

I try and capture full tapes but less than half will capture into full files. Most split into3-5 separate files and the splits seem to occur at points where the camera is turned off when shooting. I wonder if there are HDV drops that are occuring and causing problems with peak building?? When looking at the footage I don't notice any drops.

These are tapes errors if your capturing the full tape & the program starts splitting the file.
What tapes are you using? Are they HDV approved tapes for the cam?
At first I though it was my cam causing this to happen.
I also found that the end of these broken mpeg2 files are corrupt. I had to mark a point right before the corruption and "S" the file & delete the end, otherwise program can hang or rendering can fail.
I've thrown all those tapes out and don't have this problem anymore using the Sony HDV tapes.

Using 7d here and mostly working with HDV m2t files. Cineform has just been to problematic for me with it's latest versions. Right now I'm dealing with an unregister problem that means I can't install the software (that I paid for!!!) because, for some reason tech support can't seem to figure out, I can't Un-register the software. The whole thing has become such a pain in the butt I don't have time for I've just been using m2t.

Have also had some problems with lots of m2t clips and Vegas croaking but it has not been to bad. Usually removing some clips from the project seems to clear it up.

Push you over the edge...to what? Have you actually tried editing .m2t or HDV in the other apps? FCS2 doesn't even accept .m2t files! Every time I test out or try to implement another NLE into my workflow I'm amazed at the deficiencies compared to what Vegas offers.

My relationship with Vegas is a little like my relationship to my wife: not perfect, but I'm not looking for something new either... ;-)

"My relationship with Vegas is a little like my relationship to my wife", Laurence, you are starting to worry me. ;-) So, lets recap, you met and picked up Vegas while cruising the Internet, then checked out some videos, goof around awhile, Vegas demonstrates some serious WOW power, then Vegas tells you to get serious and finally brings you to your knees with you holding a new pretty serial number. Now the daily routine has become "old", so Vegas demands more attention, ( with a few black frames, to demonstrate attitude). Now both of you hang around the computer day and night, thinking - things better improve or! Then Vegas smiles and you lose your train of thought. ;-)

Yeah, something like that. At least I don't have to worry about Vegas dumping me ;-)

>These are tapes errors if your capturing the full tape & the program starts splitting the file.
What tapes are you using? Are they HDV approved tapes for the cam?
At first I though it was my cam causing this to happen.
I also found that the end of these broken mpeg2 files are corrupt. I had to mark a point right before the corruption and "S" the file & delete the end, otherwise program can hang or rendering can fail.
I've thrown all those tapes out and don't have this problem anymore using the Sony HDV tapes.
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They may be tape errors, but then why do they play properly in WMP and convert properly in Cinefrom HDLink? It sounds to me like Vegas needs a little more robust error correction.

I've done a lot of HDV lately, mostly wildlife shorts - which involve searching through and editing down hours of footage of nothing. So far I've only had one clip crash Vegas and no sign of the black frame bug.

I have Cineform and use it for critical projects - usually the final cut - but mostly work with M2T.

Isn't ironic that people bought Cineform to combat the Cineform bug in Vegas? I stayed with 7.0d after losing hair to the e update. I work with 5-10 hours of HDV from an XH-A1 and really have few problems.

I agree... I'm back with 7d and I do nothing but HDV with very few problems..... infact so few problems that you may as well call it none. I use HDVsplit to capture and I edit with M2T right on the timeline.

I've seen black frames a couple of times... a bit of a pain yes, but it hardly qualifies as much more than that.

"Sony never leaks anything about upcoming releases", those NDAs can be a pain. But the fact is Sony, like all other big companies, do release info and demos 2 to 5 months before "release date" to editors and magazine writers so their articles can make a PR impact, at no cost to the companies. Some publishers are locked into fixed dates, but by the time printing and distribution handles the mags, leaks are everywhere. In fact, most marketing depends on the rumor mill to promote the "news".

"But the fact is Sony, like all other big companies, do release info"

Be that as it may, with the exception of when I was beta testing Vegas and had signed an NDA, I have never heard anything about an upcoming release of any Sonic Foundry or Sony product until it was actually released. Apparently, those that know something have been very good about keeping their lips sealed.

John

Probably to FCS2. I have FCS1 and it takes m2t direct to the timeline with no render bars....

Blink... I just treid HDVsplit on this machine and it captured a tape fully that vegas capture would forcibly split into 3 separate files. When I dropped the HDV split file on the timeline the peaks built with no problem, but the video was empty.... Any clue on this? The same tape that vegas captures into 3 files work ok video wise but one of them locks up vegas building peaks.

This current project of 7 tapes captured 3 times on 3 different machines with V7e vegas broke up the files ranging from 21-35 different video files for each capture session of 7 tapes (acquired from 1 FX1 and 2 Z1 cams). This most recent capture of the same tapes yielde 29 video files 8 of the files will lock V7 up on peak building but V6 will build these peaks fast and with no problem. What broke between V6 & 7? Just random scrubbing of the timeline and I have already seen a 2 black frame that will go away at that spot if I restart vegas. To see what the random black frame issue looks like on output just check out the video at the top of this page @ 21 sec http://www.firstsightpictures.com/new/trailers/fspictures-trailers.html Fing annoying when it shows up in renders that cause you to have to go through another 20+ hour render becasue of an inexcuseable bug...

"They may be tape errors, but then why do they play properly in WMP and convert properly in Cinefrom HDLink? It sounds to me like Vegas needs a little more robust error correction."

Exactly... If they were tape errors they shouldn't casue catastrophic crashes. I've edited many a DV file that was full of errors with no crashes. If I get an occasional HDV drop I can cut to another cam. I shouldn't have to ctrl-atl-del to kill Vegas

You can get out of it buy hitting ctrl-akt-del! I'm so jealous. I have to hold down the power button to get out of it!

I really can't believe no one is mentioning the building peaks issue. What is even more annoying is that if those files are in a project, everytime the project loads it tries to rebuld peaks so you have to cancel out quickly for it not to lock up the system and by cancelling out you therefore have no peaks shown for the other video files whose good sfk files did build, but won't load and I know of no way to selectively choose an event and cause its peaks to build or load. POS Vegas....