Vegas LACKS edl export - damn

DavidCherniack wrote on 9/13/2000, 7:00 AM
I'm trying to set up some portable editing on a laptop on a
large documentary project where I would be editing
sequences out of an hour or two of source foootage. I've
been looking at all the dv packages which support OHCI
cards.

From what I can see Vegas Video is the best of the bunch -
it's smooth, it grooves and it works. Unfortunately it has
one major shortcoming that I can't see a work around for.
It doesn't export industry standard edl's (CMX, Grass, Sony)
like EditDV, Premiere and even (shudder) Media Studio Pro.
Therefore I cant rough cut a sequence, export the edl, and
later import the material from the source tapes on a high
end system like edit* or Media Composer. This truly sucks
as the other packages can't even hold a candle to Vegas for
various reasons too lengthy to go into. Anyone know a
workaround - anyone at Sonic Foundry listening? - Anyone
have any sane idea why they would have left this feature
out of their software?

Comments

SonyEPM wrote on 9/13/2000, 10:04 AM
Vegas can import CMX 3600 and Sony 91xx EDLs, but there is no EDL
export feature. It was not designed as a roughcutting tool.

Vegas was designed from the ground up to be a start-to-finish editing
solution. We did consider having EDL export (and OMF I/O as well)
during the design stages, but this was dropped for a numeber of
reasons.

We had to make a choice between having unlimited audio and video
tracks, custom fx and transitions, parent child compositing, etc., OR
limiting functionility so that we could comply with existing editing
models (all of these based on piecemeal extensions of 25+ year old
CMX340-based online deck/switcher controller). Remapping all of our
funtionality back out is extremely complex, and also would force us
to constantly update our changes to be compatible with the 3rd-party
systems you mention.

Sonic Foundry has been a member of the AAF committee (designed to
eventually supplant OMF)and once this specification solidifies we'll
take
another look at having a project export- but no promises here.



David Cherniack wrote:
>>I'm trying to set up some portable editing on a laptop on a
>>large documentary project where I would be editing
>>sequences out of an hour or two of source foootage. I've
>>been looking at all the dv packages which support OHCI
>>cards.
>>
>>From what I can see Vegas Video is the best of the bunch -
>>it's smooth, it grooves and it works. Unfortunately it has
>>one major shortcoming that I can't see a work around for.
>>It doesn't export industry standard edl's (CMX, Grass, Sony)
>>like EditDV, Premiere and even (shudder) Media Studio Pro.
>>Therefore I cant rough cut a sequence, export the edl, and
>>later import the material from the source tapes on a high
>>end system like edit* or Media Composer. This truly sucks
>>as the other packages can't even hold a candle to Vegas for
>>various reasons too lengthy to go into. Anyone know a
>>workaround - anyone at Sonic Foundry listening? - Anyone
>>have any sane idea why they would have left this feature
>>out of their software?
>>
>>
DavidCherniack wrote on 9/13/2000, 10:52 AM
Thanks for the reply.

I would only point out that putting in standard edl export features
gives people like me the possibility of using it as an off-line tool
as well as online. If I'm off-lining I'm necessarily going to limit
myself to simple transitions and 4 tracks of audio. And it would
still be the best tool on the market for doing so, even without all
the added online capability. By not including this fairly trivial
feature you limit the use of a great poduct to circumstances that I
and others like me can't take advantage of. Your loss and ours.

David

Dave Hill wrote:
>>Vegas can import CMX 3600 and Sony 91xx EDLs, but there is no EDL
>>export feature. It was not designed as a roughcutting tool.
>>Vegas was designed from the ground up to be a start-to-finish
editing
>>solution. We did consider having EDL export (and OMF I/O as well)
>>during the design stages, but this was dropped for a numeber of
>>reasons.
>>
>>We had to make a choice between having unlimited audio and video
>>tracks, custom fx and transitions, parent child compositing, etc.,
OR
>>limiting functionility so that we could comply with existing
editing
>>models (all of these based on piecemeal extensions of 25+ year old
>>CMX340-based online deck/switcher controller). Remapping all of our
>>funtionality back out is extremely complex, and also would force us
>>to constantly update our changes to be compatible with the 3rd-
party
>>systems you mention.





>>
>>Sonic Foundry has been a member of the AAF committee (designed to
>>eventually OMF)and once this specification solidifies we'll take
>>another look at having a project export- but no promises here.
>>
>>
>>
>>David Cherniack wrote:
>>>>I'm trying to set up some portable editing on a laptop on a
>>>>large documentary project where I would be editing
>>>>sequences out of an hour or two of source foootage. I've
>>>>been looking at all the dv packages which support OHCI
>>>>cards.
>>>>
>>>>From what I can see Vegas Video is the best of the bunch -
>>>>it's smooth, it grooves and it works. Unfortunately it has
>>>>one major shortcoming that I can't see a work around for.
>>>>It doesn't export industry standard edl's (CMX, Grass, Sony)
>>>>like EditDV, Premiere and even (shudder) Media Studio Pro.
>>>>Therefore I cant rough cut a sequence, export the edl, and
>>>>later import the material from the source tapes on a high
>>>>end system like edit* or Media Composer. This truly sucks
>>>>as the other packages can't even hold a candle to Vegas for
>>>>various reasons too lengthy to go into. Anyone know a
>>>>workaround - anyone at Sonic Foundry listening? - Anyone
>>>>have any sane idea why they would have left this feature
>>>>out of their software?
>>>>
>>>>
stevievan wrote on 11/1/2000, 8:19 AM
I too, would like to see some kind of EDL export. For those who still
need to work in the linear world, a Vegas video w/ SOME kind of EDL
export would be nice....SF, are you listening?

Just FYI, I haven't purchased yet, and probably will not due to the
lack of this feature.