Vegas Pro 17 - Regions and Meta Data Question(s)

crown2020 wrote on 12/26/2020, 5:20 PM

Hello Everyone. I trust this message finds each of you well. I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas.

If a YouTube or Vegas Form solution exists for my questions here, I've yet to find the answer. It has not been for lack of trying on my part. That is a fact.

So I'm using Vegas Pro 17. I also have VegaSaur Tool Kit Version 3.9.5 Installed in the said Vegas Pro 17. I'd like to render my GREEN REGIONS in order. In my case 1-60. I thought I could just group the output files by date, hours, and seconds for a work around. My Windows 10 Pro, 64 bit, does not offer this option, (as far as I know).

Had I thought about it while creating the Regions, I guess I could have added something like _001 to the FRONT of the Region name. _002 to the next Region name, etc. It would be a pain to go back and do that to all 60 Regions now.

I'm sure there is a third party utility or some Linux users that could do this fairly easy and quick. My interest is really in making this happen WHILE Vegas Renders the Regions. One clean and easy step.

It would be most helpful if someone on the form here could advise how I can get the Green Regions to Render, in order, (1-60), and KEEP the Region name as the final output file name.

The problem may actually be that VegaSaur IS rendering in the order I selected, (Batch Rendering with Transcoder), and it's the OS that's not meeting my needs.

At the end of the day, I need the Regions that Render out to be in order at the file system level. Maybe if the Region number could be included with the Region name? I just would not want that Region number to be included in any metadata or CD Text for the actual CD. That brings me to my last question as follows:

Can or will these Region names be used as ":metadata" in a program such as CD Burner XP ?

Many thanks to all, in advance, for any help or advise you might be willing to lend. I look forward to your response / responses.

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JN- wrote on 12/26/2020, 6:11 PM

@crown2020 There is a script “Batch render, with region name as filename” Is that what you are looking for ? If not then experts on this and Vegasaur can chip in. Link here. I don't know who the author is. Just copy it to your scripts menu, a text file is in the zip with the location.

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crown2020 wrote on 12/26/2020, 6:37 PM

@JN- Hey there JN. I do not see, (specifically), "Batch render, with region name as filename", in VegaSaur or under scripting in Vegas Pro 17. VegaSaur has a way to render, using transcoder, that will use your region names. It's called "Marker/Region Label {label}" It's under Macros and to the right of the filename (under the output tab). My issue is getting those rendered files into a program like CD Burner XP in a specific order. I did not name the Regions _001 and _002 etc at each Region Point before I began typing the file name.

Any idea if the Region names can be used as CD Text?

JN- wrote on 12/26/2020, 6:45 PM

@crown2020 Any idea if the Region names can be used as CD Text?

Afraid not, not my area of expertise. So can I take it that the script I supplied in the download link is not what you are looking for?

Looking at this, below, it appears that Vegasaur already has you covered for using the region names as the output filenames.

VegaSaur has a way to render, using transcoder, that will use your region names. It's called "Marker/Region Label {label}" It's under Macros and to the right of the filename (under the output tab)”

 

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JN- wrote on 12/26/2020, 6:57 PM

@crown2020 When I saw this below, I assumed that it wasn’t available in vegaseur.

“It would be most helpful if someone on the form here could advise how I can get the Green Regions to Render, in order, (1-60), and KEEP the Region name as the final output file name.”

 

As for this, if its required for the burner, can you not just add these values to the start of the filenames, en masse, after the regions are rendered out, initally without them. Renaming programs can do this easily.

I did not name the Regions _001 and _002 etc at each Region Point before I began typing the file name.

 

Obviously, the regions, whatever you have already named them as, will be rendered left to right in order. You can then sort the rendered out files based on date time. Then use renaming to add what prefixes you want to at the start of the filenames.

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crown2020 wrote on 12/26/2020, 7:17 PM

@JN- Ok. I just ran it. The advantage is it seems to be a little faster than using the "macro" provided in VegaSaur. I do not know why it's faster. It also does not show up in VegaSaur. Just Vegas under "Scripting".

Basically, it does the same thing I mentioned in my above instructions. This COULD work for my situation IF there were a way to add the corresponding Region Number to the rendered file name that came from naming my region.

For example, say Region 1 is called Test. This script would work if I could have the rendered file Read "Region 1 - Test" for example. Or, it could render and read as "Test - Region 1". Any idea how I could tweak the script or who might be able to for me? I am guessing it's a simple change. I'm no programmer. I'd need a little help with it.

wwaag wrote on 12/26/2020, 7:25 PM

You can easily change the name of regions using the Edit Details window (Ctrl-Alt-4) as shown here for 10 regions I just created. Just type in your names. Or you can copy the entire table into Excel where you can do your name editing. Once finished, they can be "pasted" back. It's an easy way of changing names.

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wwaag wrote on 12/26/2020, 7:29 PM

Or you could use the MediaRenamer tool in HappyOtterScripts. Here's a screengrab showing the 10 regions renamed to Test-01, Test-02, etc.

If you have a bunch of regions to rename, this would certainly be quicker.

Plus HOS also has quite a few options for rendering regions including region selection to be rendered and inclusion of only reigons with the selection loop.

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JN- wrote on 12/26/2020, 7:35 PM

@crown2020 “IF there were a way to add the corresponding Region Number to the rendered file name that came from naming my region.”

As I have already said, I would do it by using a renaming program, but wwaags suggestion (Ctrl-Alt-4) gets it all done in one go. I had seen this method mentioned before somewhere, its really the way to go.

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crown2020 wrote on 12/26/2020, 7:52 PM

@wwaag Thanks for the tips. I can see where this would be handy in some instances, (hot keys and Excel). It's not exactly what I am looking for right now. When these files render, (1-60 Regions from 4 actual files combined), Windows does not see, report, or order them, in the order they are rendered, every time. I need the file system to keep them in order so that my tracks can then be burnt, IN ORDER, to an audio cd. There has to be an identifier such as the Region number along side the file name. If not, I have no idea how to ABC arrange the tracks on the cd or cd's.

I have found a way to sort the rendered files within Windows by date, (which seems to include time as well). The issue with this method is that should a change be made to Region 30, it now becomes number 1 on the cd using Windows sort by date method. It could be a real mess not knowing the region it came from in the output file folder. Any ideas?

crown2020 wrote on 12/26/2020, 8:08 PM

@JN- I do not believe any of @wwaag screen shots above address what the Original Region number is / was ? It's imperative I know this in the output file to began with. If I knew the original Region numbers I would not have to guess or do A LOT of manual work to find out what file originally belonged to what region. When I go to burn the cd, If a file is out of order, I would know it by the region number. That is if I could get the region number to ALSO somehow appear with the file name. Understand? I'm very sorry if I'm being confusing here. I sometimes, well, most of the time, take the long route of trying to explain things.

@JN- I stand corrected. I DO see that the hot key sequence, wwag mentioned, does in fact show the region numbers for the corresponding file name. However, it still requires my manual intervention. Copy and paste or not, this is time that could be saved if the script you provided could just be modified to include those "little green region numbers" in the file name. Imbedded in the actual, as part of, the file name.

crown2020 wrote on 12/26/2020, 8:15 PM

@JN- "Looking at this, below, it appears that Vegasaur already has you covered for using the region names as the output filenames." Yes. They do. EXCEPT I need the file name to ALSO include the corresponding region number as part of the file name.

@JN- "As I have already said, I would do it by using a renaming program"

It's not so much a "renaming" thing as an identification thing. I need to know what order these regions should be added to the cd compilation.

@JN- "As for this, if its required for the burner, can you not just add these values to the start of the filenames, en masse, after the regions are rendered out"

Yes. But how would I know, (without looking back at every region on my time line), what order to place the files in the cd burning program?

@JN- "You can then sort the rendered out files based on date time."

This works PERFECT as LONG AS there have been no changes to a Region that gets rendered out again. If changes have been made to a Region, region 30 could become region 1, (as far as the windows sorting you have suggested). I'm wanting to use the region numbers as a fail safe as to the order I place the files in the burning program. Understand? Do you have a better idea, than my idea, to have the region number included in the file name?

@JN- "but wwaags suggestion (Ctrl-Alt-4) gets it all done in one go"

It DOES if I want to manually intervene on all 60 regions. Would it not be better if the script you provided, (from another source), just simply added the words "Region 1" within my example file name "Test"

wwaag wrote on 12/26/2020, 8:31 PM

@crown2020

I think you have a misunderstanding of region numbers. The only thing that matters is the position along the timeline. When you render regions, the first region rendered is the first region in the timeline, then the second region in the timeline, etc. as defined by the starting position. The numbers as shown in the little green things are pretty meaningless for the most part. E.g. if you add a region between two existing regions, say 1 and 2, the number shown will be the next available which is 3. If rendered, the order will be 1, 3, 2--not 1,2,3. The bottom line is that you cannot use region numbers reliably.

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crown2020 wrote on 12/26/2020, 8:40 PM

@wwaag I understand what you are saying. Including a potential for a misordering of the numbers. Misordering is no big deal. VegaSaur has a way of taking care of this left to right 1-3 numbering issue and FAST. I'm asking for a way to have those "numbers as shown in the little green things" included as part of the file name. Possible?

"The numbers as shown in the little green things are pretty meaningless for the most part."

I would use them to order my cd tracks in the order they need to be in. If I change a file and render it out again, the windows sort feature becomes useless to me because it's sorting by date and time stamp. A region number, included in the file name, would help me know, very fast, what track number it should be because I am, in effect, using the "region" numbers as my track ordering guide. Understand what I am trying to do?

 

UPDATE: I just realized that wwaag and jn- were correct. If I rename the files an add numbers on the prefix of the file name FIRST thing after the initial render, future changes to the file, (that cause an update to the date and time windows sort feature looks for), will no longer be an issue. Render, rename right after initial render, THEN edit if there are any last minute blunders that were not caught on the time line before the initial render.

I also found a copy of a program called Mp3 tag. It supports just about any format one would need for an audio CD and it's FREE. Since Vegas does not support mp3 tags or cd text. I thought I would throw that in there. It might help the next person.

Again, many thanks to @JN- and @wwaag for your suggestions. Ultimately, they did help. I appreciated both of your patients.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!

JN- wrote on 12/27/2020, 3:10 AM

@crown2020 I know this is really trivial, but i’ll mention it anyway. So I have 10 audio tracks, with filenames prefixed with say

001- Name of track to

010- Name of track.

I then need to add a new track between track 3 and track 4.

What I do is I name the new track 003a - my new track.

I then, using my renaming program, add a new set of prefix numbers that starts at 001- and will of course finish at 011-

I then use my super duper renaming program to remove, en masse, the old set of numbers, that are still within the filenames, 001- to 010-, 11 total. So track “004- 003a My new track.mp3” will now become ... ........ “004-My new track.mp3”, the 4th. track in a total of 11 tracks. They have now become ...

001- Name of track to

011- Name of track.

And Happy New Year to you also!

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