VEGAS Pro 21

VVV wrote on 4/8/2023, 1:54 AM

Hello guys (specially the devs), I don't know what's wrong with making a program that can perform basic functions, but you didn't manage to do it

I will immediately say that this is not rudeness message, and I am not trying to assert myself or something like that, I'm just a senior developer from the other culture, whos opinion is s***, but I just want to say that the program has not changed at all in 10 years; Now, as always, for me, this is some kind of child of rich parents who has snot flowing, hair falling out and instead of giving the child any help - the parents enroll him in ballet, embroidery and piano... (I'm literally talking about VegasSteam SoundFx BorisFx ActionVfx VegasHub and OTHERB*******)

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For me the video editing program should be convenient/ergonomic and perform the secrete function - Video editing

If everything is in order with ergonomics, ...what is needed for a simple program of this type? Video window, sound panel, basic project settings and timeline tracks, probably a panel for crop as well - That's it, best VE is ready to mvp deploy, yay; It's all present in VegasPro, and everyone likes it, it's convenient and you are great fellows (it's not b******* from Davinci/Premiere with 5 views of one window)

But there is some trouble with the rest, and for some reason you don’t do anything with it, it makes me very upset and because of this I want to start creating my own software..

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I have been using Vegas for a long time and there have always been some problems with displaying in previews, then the picture is torn, then Vegas cannot understand why a 30 fps video recorded by a bandicam(10 years ago problem) has 30 fps and displays "shadows" from different fps, then I installed codecs and Vegas didn't like them, then then then.. I just want to say that make it so that I can just watch the video that I have on the tracks, without any f*** due to the fact that the base of the program was written in the last century

And the second problem is that if you still solved all the little problems with the program, set up, optimized, prayed with a tambourine, lit candles, then you will somehow run into a render..

I tried davinci a few days ago, I just installed it, dropped the files, made minimal changes to the source file and it took me 20 seconds to render, for a second the source file was almost 2 hours long; Unfortunately for Vegas, any render is the time of the resource multiplied by two, those for example i would have to wait 4 hours if i wanted to remove 2 words from this 2 hour long video (nvenc/cpu/whatever/voukoder)

So, back to question/topic, what program should have, render, is: h264, x264, nvenc, thats all, nowadays any device supports mp4 and in any case you can convene it with the help of 3rd party software to any format from mp4; And one hard thing is learn program to bake files "as it" if you have h264 baked video and render it to h264, I meant: no rerender feature

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I hope you stop raising major versions just like that (is it some kind of joke, like change the color of the program and change the icon, then jump from version 17 to version 20? If yes I didn’t understand this joke), stop overloading the program with unnecessary garbage and switch to the main program code, please

I'm ready to give up curvature of the hue of brightness and saturation, I'm ready to cut half of everything out of the program, but instead give some stability and render ability because I have 32gb ddr5 ryzen 12/24 and 4080ti and I won't to wait 4 hours for each 2 hours video

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And I hope you read this message before deleting

Comments

Wolfgang S. wrote on 4/8/2023, 3:20 AM

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/community-rules/

Maybe neither Vegas 20 nor 21 are suitable for you. I understand that you do not like such an outdated software (according to your judgement, written in the last century). If his is your opinion, ok.

For me both Resolve but also Vegas are able to perform the „basic functions“. But why not stay with Resolve, if you like that more? Your choice. We are talking about tools only.

But be warned: if you continue to be rude and offend other users as you did in your last discussions, and ignore the guidelines of this forums again, we will be quite clear in our answer.

jetdv wrote on 4/8/2023, 7:51 AM

So, back to question/topic, what program should have, render, is: h264, x264, nvenc, thats all, nowadays any device supports mp4 and in any case you can convene it with the help of 3rd party software to any format from mp4;

Ummm... NO. I am frequently rendering to WAV, MP3, MPG2 and use "Intel QSV" instead of "nvenc" so your two options are certainly NOT enough. Might be enough for YOU but certainly not enough.

but I just want to say that the program has not changed at all in 10 years

I don't know what program you're looking at but my VEGAS has changed tremendously over the past 10 years. Yes, the basic functions are exactly the same (fortunately) but there have been MANY changes over the past 10 years.

VVV wrote on 4/8/2023, 2:47 PM

Ummm... NO. I am frequently rendering to WAV, MP3, MPG2 and use "Intel QSV" instead of "nvenc" so your two options are certainly NOT enough. Might be enough for YOU but certainly not enough.

I analyzed a particular case which is very simple to understand; You can once setup an obs(x264 or nvenc), record 1000hours and then do simple montage mp4 to mp4

And why do you compare render only Audio and 2 hours video 😄👍

And I not saying: Cut off all the stuff with render and rest mp4 only

I don't know what program you're looking at but my VEGAS has changed tremendously over the past 10 years. Yes, the basic functions are exactly the same (fortunately) but there have been MANY changes over the past 10 years.

Many changes but not in the basic functions; I dont care about these fx and color panels, which are add-ons and not the program itself

VVV wrote on 4/8/2023, 2:55 PM

Maybe neither Vegas 20 nor 21 are suitable for you. I understand that you do not like such an outdated software (according to your judgement, written in the last century). If his is your opinion, ok.

Am i look like a judge? Just facts; Vegas 20, vegas 17, v18, v19, it's just some guy just increase major version instead of minor one (FYI: Major.Minor.Patch version); And (about vegas21) my message was/is: be better and make the v21 so that everyone goes nuts

For me both Resolve but also Vegas are able to perform the „basic functions“. But why not stay with Resolve, if you like that more? Your choice. We are talking about tools only.

We are talking about tools, yes, so why new tool can overjump the vegas, and why vegas do nothing to be better at least in existing functionality (not a big case, but complicated one)

Reyfox wrote on 4/8/2023, 2:59 PM

I analyzed a particular case which is very simple to understand; You can once setup an obs(x264 or nvenc), record 1000hours and then do simple montage mp4 to mp4

That is your case, certainly not mine or others. I don't have a Nvidia or Intel iGPU. Sorry, I don't think that what you are suggesting is going to happen. I don't know anyone who has recorded 1000 hours of OBS. That's 41 1/2 days of footage. I wonder how much storage space is required for that. Why would anyone bother trying to set something like that up? Who would waste their own time in doing this? No one here for sure.

Many changes but not in the basic functions; I dont care about these fx and color panels, which are add-ons and not the program itself

All editors have had the same basic function "forever". Me using Premiere 20 years ago, it's the same basic function today as then. Maybe if you were more clearer in what you are trying to explain, it would help. In communications 101, it is up to the presenter to make themselves clearly understood, not the listener to sort through what they think they are hearing.

Addons for the sake of them and at the expense of program stability I am not for. But they've added AMD VCE, which it didn't have. It's not an "addon" as far as I am concerned, but a necessity. The same with color grading. Things that you don't consider necessary, while the rest of the editing world does. That's fine. You don't have to use them, or anything you feel is not necessary. Maybe you need something like Windows Movie Maker so you don't have to worry about color panels or anything else you feel is unnecessary.

As for myself, I like familiarity. It aids in quick editing.

What you are asking, no one has asked for and certainly, the developers are not going to cater to a minority of 1. As written above, you seem to favor Resolve, maybe you should be posing the same "case which is easy to understand" there and see the response you will get.... but then, you have not clearly stated anything specific you would like to see changed and how it can be improved.

VVV wrote on 4/8/2023, 3:16 PM

That is your case, certainly not mine or others. I don't have a Nvidia or Intel iGPU. Sorry, I don't think that what you are suggesting is going to happen. I don't know anyone who has recorded 1000 hours of OBS. That's 41 1/2 days of footage. I wonder how much storage space is required for that. Why would anyone bother trying to set something like that up? Who would waste their own time in doing this? No one here for sure.

I have 6 tb of video 🙂 and that's alot of more than just 42 days

What are you talking about? I'm not suggest any; In my case, I gave an real example with a 2-hour video, which, with the same render settings, will be rendered twice as long

I don't have a Nvidia or Intel iGPU

So why are you writing? No, really? Look at this gif https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-19-nvidia-render-fps-jumping--135137/#ca843483 and if you so smart to answer without feeling the problem, answer please then: why render is jumping? (Don't take this like a rude, but if you can, you can answer)

All editors have had the same basic function "forever".

This does not mean that everything should be left as it is

Addons for the sake of them and at the expense of program stability I am not for. But they've added AMD VCE, which it didn't have. It's not an "addon" as far as I am concerned, but a necessity. The same with color grading.

Yeah it's good updates, but amd video have a lot of problems on a board already (it's in global), but this is another coolstory..

As for myself, I like familiarity. It aids in quick editing.

Just want to be clear to any mind (And not be rude or something like that)

What you are asking, no one has asked for and certainly, the developers are not going to cater to a minority of 1. As written above, you seem to favor Resolve, maybe you should be posing the same "case which is easy to understand" there and see the response you will get....

I didn't believe that a 2 hour long video could be rendered in less than 30 minutes; that's all why davinci was mentioned

j-v wrote on 4/8/2023, 3:38 PM

Perhaps it is possible to stop all this chit-chat because it is totally unimportant since everyone is completely free to buy, use or support a buying program.

Reyfox wrote on 4/8/2023, 3:44 PM

My final comment here. Rendering is only part of the editing process to me. I remember letting the computer render all night when I had DPS Editbay, and then Premiere 6. And it was nothing complex with my top of the line at the time, Intel computer I built specifically for editing.

I spend far more time on the timeline editing. That is where I want the least amount of problems. Yes, fast rendering is nice, but it's not the "be all end all" for me.

Oh, and I have Resolve Studio 18. Nice, but just can't get into it like Vegas for what I do.

We have several choices for editing software. @j-v has given stellar advice.

Wiew wrote on 4/8/2023, 3:45 PM

99,9 % of the people here on this forum enjoy working with Vegas and want to help together make it a better program. That means reporting bugs and possibly helping to fix them in a possitive vibe

So it doesn't mean ...tearing things down to the ground.

As mentioned above by others

If you like another program better than Vegas the answer is simple, then you have to work with that one.

If your opinion is that there is no program that meets your needs and you want to change Vegas to your needs

Then I suggest that you devellop an editing program on the market yourself,

And maybe your editor will become a competitor of Vegas and maybe we will eventually have to admit that your vissoin was correct and you got it right

VVV wrote on 4/8/2023, 5:07 PM

I guess I found the render problem, all the time I was using 32 full levels for my project props, because on default 8 picture is grey in preview, but ONLY in preview; amazing

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 4/8/2023, 7:07 PM

@VVV This long winded message of yours is absolutely pointless my friend.

rock-c wrote on 4/8/2023, 7:29 PM

@VVV Please be careful with your wording. Admins usually deal with different voices like yours by deleting posts and banning accounts.

So you have to be careful with what you say.

fr0sty wrote on 4/8/2023, 8:24 PM

Sounds like this thread has run its course, the user's issue has been resolved and traced down to user error, the user didn't know how to properly edit their video in VEGAS, using 32 bit mode to edit 8 bit video (which is completely pointless and increases render time for no benefit gained whatsoever), and the issue is resolved now. I'll leave it up to another mod to make the call to lock it, but that is my recommendation at this point.