in other words - it will re-render (or encode) to DV first before PTT

Well it'll capture 10 bit 4:2:2, I know Vegas can only render to 8 bit, it can render to 4:2:2 8 bit. From what you're saying do I need to use another app to PTT?

Bob

yes -

Such as ?
Or should I just wait for Vegas 6 {wink, wink}
Bob.

Page 7 of the Connect Manual seems to indicate that you can select UC8 (Uncompressed 8-bit) as the video format to transfer over Firewire to the SD connect.

The question is if Vegas supports this.

If everything was slaughtered down to DV25, this box would seem totally moot. Hard to believe.

There are specific instructions later in the manual for hooking up DB decks.

We've been using the box with DB doing DB to SP dubs, it's been used on clients Avid no probs also. Great box and VERY nice company to do business with, it's not been without its teething problems but I'll say two things here:

1) They own up to the problem.
2) They tell you they're going to fix it and let you know when they're likely to fix it.
3) They tell you what their roadmap is for the future.

Sorry that's 3, but my point is they too live in a highly competitive marketplace, they're a small company and they work with the Vegas team. It'd be kind of nice if some of their approach rubbed off.

Bob.

Indeed, Mike Schell, his team are really awesome people to work with. So, Farss, are you clear on how to do this now? I didn't read all the posts. 8 bit out, DV, if you're using Vegas to print with at this time.

So no need to bother with 4:2:2 then at this time.

Is there another app that Vegas could frameserve 4:2:2 footage to, that could then print to the SD box's UC8 format? That would seem to solve the problem.

You don't need to frameserve, you can render out of Vegas using the Sony 4:2:2 YUV codec.
Now I assume that gives me 8 bit values?
If that's the case then the SD Connect will accept that down 1394 ?
If that's so then the only issue is how to get the file on the disk down the 1394 cable to the SD Connect?
I know I'm oversimplifying things but I'm sure you get my drift.

/edit/
Maybe I'm a little uncertain just what SPOT means here, the Sony 4:2:2 YUV codec is DV, right? Or does he mean DV25 @ 4:2:0? I'm NOT being pedantic here, if i take it one way then it means I CAN PTT from the 4:2:2 codec.


Bob.

Hi Bob,
Unfortunately, the only thing that Vegas will send down the firewire cable is DV right now. I think if you did your rendering in the Sony 4:2:2 codec, it would convert to DV before playing, but I'm not sure about that.
We are working on uncompressed video/audio support for Vegas. Right now, SD-Connect can capture and playback 8 bit and 10 bit video/audio from the hard drive. We are working on plugins for the various applications to handle the uncompressed video, just waiting on a Vegas SDK to add support for Vegas.

Thanks for the kind comments about our company.

John Schell
Convergent Design Inc.

You could compliment the SD-Connect with something else whilst this is going on.
Uncompressed "D1" over Firewire is a fantastic benefit for this equipment's price point.

From what John has contributed. The SD-Connect appliance is capable of placing the same data back out of the component hoses from a DV source.

I'd say that the PC based app that SD-Connect uses to capture UnCompressed-8 clips should be finished to the point where it enables the reverse activity from various source AVI types. Including BGRA32, RGB24, YUY2, YUYV and other packed formats to then be transferred to the target of your choice.

In the meantime, Pinnacle Liquid has uncompressed output, NewTek VT, Leitch Velocity and various SDI and HD-SDI options exist. Some more internal to the PC than others. Of course none of the main ones I've mentioned are members of the Vegas club. So waiting for SD-Connect or BMD would be your main alternatives.

There is a big gap between DV and DVCPro50 and above. For those that want simple workflows. Pity.

IncidentallyI believe that the consensus is that Matrox Parhelia is too unrefined for professional broadcast-monitor/targetting use (it'll probably not be legal, not be the correct AR, or the correct field dominance or be in sync with the PCM stream or something like that).

Firewire was/is clearly the main appeal for the Vegas developers but uncompressed is pretty native to any editor that isn't using custom chips. So we are missing a modular acquisition and print/targetting subsystem with Vegas in its current form.

Bob, are you finding the DV previews from the Vegas timeline (of your uncompressed media) quite fluid or do you suspect you have that treacle/molasses experience like folks get with anyres MPEG-2 editing?

>> the Sony 4:2:2 YUV codec is DV, right?

No, it is not DV. It looks more like an uncompressed 4:2:2 codec. Render a second of video to Sony 4:2:2 YUV and look at the file size then. Big ...

Marco

I'm not trying to work with uncompressed at the moment although that is an option, more likely to go down that path for HD (yeah I know it's going to cost at least $250K + decks). I'm only trying to get something as good as 8 bit DB down the 1394 pipe, it'll handle the data rate and the SD Connect can do the job, we're rendering from CFHD DI to Sony 4:2:2 YUV and then I want to PTT at that quality onto DB. So far the the conversion from the CFHD DI to the 4:2:2 codec doesn't look too flash but somehow I got the field order screwed up which didn't help. The 4:2:2 file plays back just fine but I do have SATA RAID 0 on HighPoint controller. You can even run at that res over 1GB networks, saves a bundle compared to fibre.

Having already sunk quite a few dollars into this pilot system I might have to look at something other than Vegas to get this up and running. Found out a few days ago others are already planning to offer the same thing using FCP.
Best system I've seen so far is the full on Canopus system at around $70K but it's still a little way off.
Bob.

DV = Digital Video, last time I checked any video on a hard disk is digital video. I think you mean DV25 which is 4:2:0 on PAL.
Bob.