Vegas Training DVDs

mark-woollard wrote on 6/4/2006, 10:45 AM
A friend, who like me, has been using NewTek's VT, is considering getting Vegas. I'd like to advise him as to the best training DVD for both getting started in Vegas and learning to use it efficiently. My only experience is with Tim Duncan's DVD that I got a year ago and found really helpful. Spot's first hand training on the VASST HDV Tour was also really helpful.

Without bashing anyone's training products out there, are there comparative comments folks here can make as to which training DVD I should recommend to my friend?

Thanks
Mark

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 6/4/2006, 11:09 AM
IMO, all of the DVDs are good, any choices among the 3 offered really boil down to which teaching personality fits your friend's mental processes. Class on Demand's DVD is quite good, particularly the V5 DVD with Edward Troxel.
The Absolute Series is just that; a "Series" so he can pick n' choose what he wants to learn. The first 2 in the series just touch on color correction over the 4.5 hours found on them, while Glenn Chan goes very deeply into color correction and what tools to use. Maybe your friend doesn't want to know about advanced DVD Architect, so he won't want that DVD in the series.
Be aware for your friend that you'll shortly be seeing the Vegas certifcation tour coming to your area.
The only video training I've seen out there is some online-paid-for stuff that demonstrates pretty clearly the trainer isn't a regular user of Vegas, as he's not using/teaching any of the standard methods of work nor the common shortcuts for faster/more efficient editing.
That's my biased 2cents. ;-)
GlennChan wrote on 6/4/2006, 1:28 PM
Your friend might find the following helpful:

List of Vegas shortcuts

It's really helpful to know where all the editing features are hidden... i.e. s = split/razor/blade edit (not sure what VT calls that).

The list doesn't include:
slip and roll editing. Hold Alt or Crtl+Alt while the mouse is over an event to get those edits.

Covering those shortcuts would probably get him mosts of the way there, and then just get some other materials for whatever else he needs to do.



Other than that, I can't really comment on what DVDs to get since I haven't seen the non-VASST titles out there.
mark-woollard wrote on 6/4/2006, 2:37 PM
Glenn

Thanks for the shortcut to the shortcuts page. It's very well laid out. I'll pass it on.

Mark
birdcat wrote on 6/5/2006, 4:56 AM
Hi Spot -

Could you please post a link to the tour schedule & prices?

I'd love to attend if at all possible!

Tnx

Bruce
bevross wrote on 6/5/2006, 5:57 AM
I've purchased (but haven't watched/worked through completely) these two sets:

The Vasst.com "Absolute Training Vol. 1-3" and
The Seminar Series: Vegas 6 and DVD Architect 3 from
https://www.sonymediasoftware.com/shopping/item.asp?PID=373&cid=112&disp=1

Briefly (not much time for a full review):

The Sony set is more truly tutorial in that the viewer is invited to follow along, doing the steps using the provided sample project files. As such, it goes along slowly & methodically. I found the approach very useful for learning the basic tools quickly (much more quickly than what I'd gained from my year of trial & error plus textbook approach).

The Vasst set is more like a series of lectures -- rapidly going over much more material (hints, tips, essentials). Interesting & informative, even sort of entertaining -- something that bears multiple viewings to digest.

Side question to Spot re: the production of this series: is there something about the way the files were rendered such that when viewed on a CRT television, shots of the computer screen show lots of flicker vs. no flicker when viewed on the computer's LCD screen?

Also -- 1) I wish the menu screen wasn't such a garish yellow/orange, flickering piece -- very distracting; 2) the opening sequence with the talking head "manager" is o.k. for 1 DVD but tiring for all three (and the switch showing him black/white then color seems hokey). I had production complaints about the Sony series, too.

In truth -- my disappointment with the production quality of these sets, which I presume were created using Vegas/DVDA (?), made me leery of what can be done using these tools: if the teachers creating it make it look slightly amateurish, how can I have any hope? Perhaps I've been spoiled by watching too many Hollywood DVDs?






Spot|DSE wrote on 6/5/2006, 7:28 AM
Side question to Spot re: the production of this series: is there something about the way the files were rendered such that when viewed on a CRT television, shots of the computer screen show lots of flicker vs. no flicker when viewed on the computer's LCD screen?
The DVDs are acquired and delivered as progressive scan media. Progressive to television monitor will usually flicker. To bring down the flicker, you can insert blur in the post process, but the problem there is that a great deal of detail is already lost from the high resolution computer screen. How much flicker you see is more relevant to the display than to the media.
Now that HD is more possible for delivery, we'll be there soon. You'll still get flicker on your television, but it is less noticeable.
I'd submit that our series, Sony's series, and the COD series are on par with training DVDs from anyone. Give us a multi-million$$ budget and we'll make it look like Hollywood.
kkolbo wrote on 6/6/2006, 3:52 PM
****.:. Maybe your friend doesn't want to know about advanced DVD Architect, so he won't want that DVD in the series.:. *****

Of course he wants to get the advanced DVDA disc. Jeesh. He just doesn't know how much fun he can have yet. He will be glad that he got after he learns that stuff.

I wouldn't be predjudice or anything like that ; )
Spot|DSE wrote on 6/6/2006, 8:16 PM
LOL, Keith...I shouldn't have targeted your DVD. It's a good'un, that's for sure. Maybe his friend doesn't want to learn about Color correction. Oops, sorry Glenn. Noise Reduction? Media Manager?