Vegas updates
Avanti
wrote on 10/15/2008, 7:29 PM
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Chienworks
wrote on 10/15/2008, 7:34 PM
As a registered user, i get extremely good upgrade pricing right directly from Sony, especially during the first 30 days or so if the release. I've gotten most of them for $99 or $149 for the "Pro" versions.
Avanti
wrote on 10/17/2008, 10:17 AM
I'm a registered owner, and the Sony update page tells me to fork over $249.95.
How or where do I get a better deal like Chienworks?
http://www.avantibiz.com/
How or where do I get a better deal like Chienworks?
http://www.avantibiz.com/
Cliff Etzel
wrote on 10/17/2008, 10:21 AM
Avanti
wrote on 10/17/2008, 12:03 PM
Thanks bluprojekt. You got me thinking on the right path and I found it at tigerdirect for $129+ship+tax= $148
I was just so used to buying it from Sony, I didn't think of the mainstream outlets.
http://www.avantibiz.com
I was just so used to buying it from Sony, I didn't think of the mainstream outlets.
http://www.avantibiz.com
jetdv
wrote on 10/17/2008, 3:09 PM
Two things to note:
1. The cheaper rate Kelly mentioned is a special for those who upgrade during the first month or so.
2. The B&H deal is for Vegas only - doesn't include DVD Architect. Make sure whatever you choose includes what you want. If you don't want to upgrade DVD Architect then you're fine.
1. The cheaper rate Kelly mentioned is a special for those who upgrade during the first month or so.
2. The B&H deal is for Vegas only - doesn't include DVD Architect. Make sure whatever you choose includes what you want. If you don't want to upgrade DVD Architect then you're fine.
bStro
wrote on 10/17/2008, 4:48 PM
Also worth noting, the third-party upgrades usually require that you have a fairly recent version of Vegas to upgrade -- I think the V8 upgrade requires Vegas 6 or above. When you buy from Sony, you can have pretty much any version under the sun.
For the record, that B&H page claims that it includes DVD Architect, but I recall some buyers saying that what they received did not.
Rob
For the record, that B&H page claims that it includes DVD Architect, but I recall some buyers saying that what they received did not.
Rob
Himanshu
wrote on 10/17/2008, 5:53 PM
B&H's web page does *not* claim to include DVD Architect, at least not any more. I've purchased Vegas Pro 8 from them and am happy with the offer/price & what I can do with the software. Here's the link. I do think that I probably won't get the same lower upgrade price to Vegas Pro 9 (when it is released) as owners of the full version, but let's wait and see.
Avanti
wrote on 10/17/2008, 6:09 PM
Thanks guys
the tigerdirect website says it includes DVD-A for $129+ship+tax= $148
"Sony Vegas Pro 8 Upgrade
The Vegas Pro collection combines Vegas Pro 8, DVD Architect Pro 4.5, and Dolby Digital AC-3 encoding software to offer an integrated environment for all phases of professional video, audio, DVD, and broadcast production. These tools let you edit and process DV, AVCHD, HDV, SD/HD-SDI, and all XDCAM™ formats in real time, fine-tune audio with precision, and author surround sound, dual-layer DVDs. "
http://www.avantibiz.com
the tigerdirect website says it includes DVD-A for $129+ship+tax= $148
"Sony Vegas Pro 8 Upgrade
The Vegas Pro collection combines Vegas Pro 8, DVD Architect Pro 4.5, and Dolby Digital AC-3 encoding software to offer an integrated environment for all phases of professional video, audio, DVD, and broadcast production. These tools let you edit and process DV, AVCHD, HDV, SD/HD-SDI, and all XDCAM™ formats in real time, fine-tune audio with precision, and author surround sound, dual-layer DVDs. "
http://www.avantibiz.com
tcbetka
wrote on 10/17/2008, 8:21 PM
Speaking of Vegas Pro '9'...any news as to when it might be released? Just curious as to how long it typically is between upgrade versions. Version 8 is my first version, so I am trying to get an idea of how things go.
Thanks.
TB
Thanks.
TB
MarkWWW
wrote on 10/18/2008, 5:11 AM
If you read the website carefully you will find that it fails to mention that the upgrade tigerdirect are offering will only work from Vegas 6 or Vegas 7. Fortunately a helpful purchaser has added this information as a review.
This makes what tigerdirect are offering so similar to what B&H are offering that I strongly suspect that they are in fact the same, i.e. a version of Vegas that does not include DVDA or the AC3 encoder. If I were in your position I would do my best to make sure that the tigerdirect version does include DVDA. I would try to get explicit confirmation of this from them and an agreement that I could return it if what they told me turned out not to be true. I would not simply believe what is on their website - as has been mentioned hereabouts, for a long time B&H's website implied that it included DVDA which was not true (though they have now added a bit of text admitting this).
If the tigerdirect version does indeed include DVDA and the AC3 encoder then it is a real bargain. But I have my doubts.
Mark
This makes what tigerdirect are offering so similar to what B&H are offering that I strongly suspect that they are in fact the same, i.e. a version of Vegas that does not include DVDA or the AC3 encoder. If I were in your position I would do my best to make sure that the tigerdirect version does include DVDA. I would try to get explicit confirmation of this from them and an agreement that I could return it if what they told me turned out not to be true. I would not simply believe what is on their website - as has been mentioned hereabouts, for a long time B&H's website implied that it included DVDA which was not true (though they have now added a bit of text admitting this).
If the tigerdirect version does indeed include DVDA and the AC3 encoder then it is a real bargain. But I have my doubts.
Mark
craftech
wrote on 10/18/2008, 7:03 AM
The upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 requires that you own Vegas 6 or 7 no matter where you buy it. It's the same part number.
John
John
MarkWWW
wrote on 10/18/2008, 7:19 AM
I don't think that is correct.
The versions supplied by B&H and now tigerdirect have that requirement, but the version supplied direct from Sony has no such restrictions - any full version of Vegas will do.
Mark
The versions supplied by B&H and now tigerdirect have that requirement, but the version supplied direct from Sony has no such restrictions - any full version of Vegas will do.
Mark
blink3times
wrote on 10/18/2008, 7:47 AM
"Two things to note:
Yes and no.
It got a little confusing at one point since B&H in fact had two deals going on at the same time.... one included dvda and the other didn't. The one that they started with was the one that omitted dvda and then a short time later they started selling the whole upgrade package. This one DOES... but if you read, it says dvda 4.... not 4.5 and I'm not entirely sure you're elidgable for the 'free' downloadable upgrade.
But the bottom line anywhere is that if the deal sounds too good to be true.......... then it probably isn't.
Yes and no.
It got a little confusing at one point since B&H in fact had two deals going on at the same time.... one included dvda and the other didn't. The one that they started with was the one that omitted dvda and then a short time later they started selling the whole upgrade package. This one DOES... but if you read, it says dvda 4.... not 4.5 and I'm not entirely sure you're elidgable for the 'free' downloadable upgrade.
But the bottom line anywhere is that if the deal sounds too good to be true.......... then it probably isn't.
Grazie
wrote on 10/18/2008, 9:31 AM
" . . . then it probably isn't."
er . . isn't that 'then it probably is.' The "thing" in question is the possibility that something is too GOOD to be true. In which case we are questioning the voracity of the truth. Meaning that if something that IS too good to be true - then it probably IS! The detail is in the Irony!
Yes?
Grazie
er . . isn't that 'then it probably is.' The "thing" in question is the possibility that something is too GOOD to be true. In which case we are questioning the voracity of the truth. Meaning that if something that IS too good to be true - then it probably IS! The detail is in the Irony!
Yes?
Grazie
craftech
wrote on 10/18/2008, 9:35 AM
I don't think that is correct.
The versions supplied by B&H and now tigerdirect have that requirement, but the version supplied direct from Sony has no such restrictions - any full version of Vegas will do.
Mark
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Sony isn't selling us the upgrade version. I should have emphasized the "upgrade" version when I made the statement that all of the "upgrade versions" require Vegas 6 or 7. Sony is selling us the "full version".
The upgrade version in question is SVDVD8006.
B&H doesn't mention that the upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8, they sell requires Vegas 6 or 7 either, but it does. So in that respect if Tiger Direct is being deceptive so is B&H. As I said, all vendors selling that part number are selling the version that requires Vegas 6 or 7 regardless of whether they say so or not.
John
The versions supplied by B&H and now tigerdirect have that requirement, but the version supplied direct from Sony has no such restrictions - any full version of Vegas will do.
Mark
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Sony isn't selling us the upgrade version. I should have emphasized the "upgrade" version when I made the statement that all of the "upgrade versions" require Vegas 6 or 7. Sony is selling us the "full version".
The upgrade version in question is SVDVD8006.
B&H doesn't mention that the upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8, they sell requires Vegas 6 or 7 either, but it does. So in that respect if Tiger Direct is being deceptive so is B&H. As I said, all vendors selling that part number are selling the version that requires Vegas 6 or 7 regardless of whether they say so or not.
John
richard-amirault
wrote on 10/18/2008, 10:15 AM
"B&H doesn't mention that the upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8, they sell requires Vegas 6 or 7 either, but it does. So in that respect if Tiger Direct is being deceptive so is B&H. As I said, all vendors selling that part number are selling the version that requires Vegas 6 or 7 regardless of whether they say so or not."
Yes .. BUT .. B & H *also* sells a NON- upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 .. for even less money than the upgrade.
Why should they mention that the upgrade version requires an earlier version? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF "UPGRADE"
You can't "upgrade" something you don't have in the first place.
I've just purchased the non-upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 from B & H and it is *just* a DVD with a card with the registragion number printed on it. No box, no DVD burning software, no AC-3.
I'm "upgrading" from Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 8 and I don't need surround sound, and I'll use the DVD burning software I got with VMSP 8.
Yes .. BUT .. B & H *also* sells a NON- upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 .. for even less money than the upgrade.
Why should they mention that the upgrade version requires an earlier version? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF "UPGRADE"
You can't "upgrade" something you don't have in the first place.
I've just purchased the non-upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 from B & H and it is *just* a DVD with a card with the registragion number printed on it. No box, no DVD burning software, no AC-3.
I'm "upgrading" from Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 8 and I don't need surround sound, and I'll use the DVD burning software I got with VMSP 8.
craftech
wrote on 10/18/2008, 10:21 AM
"B&H doesn't mention that the upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8, they sell requires Vegas 6 or 7 either, but it does. So in that respect if Tiger Direct is being deceptive so is B&H. As I said, all vendors selling that part number are selling the version that requires Vegas 6 or 7 regardless of whether they say so or not."
Yes .. BUT .. B & H *also* sells a NON- upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 .. for even less money than the upgrade.
Why should they mention that the upgrade version requires an earlier version? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF "UPGRADE"
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I linked the version I was talking about and B&H sells it for $149.95
Where is the..........
"NON- upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 .. for even less money than the upgrade." ?? Can you link it for us? I can't find it.
John
Yes .. BUT .. B & H *also* sells a NON- upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 .. for even less money than the upgrade.
Why should they mention that the upgrade version requires an earlier version? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF "UPGRADE"
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I linked the version I was talking about and B&H sells it for $149.95
Where is the..........
"NON- upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 .. for even less money than the upgrade." ?? Can you link it for us? I can't find it.
John
richard-amirault
wrote on 10/18/2008, 10:34 AM
Chienworks
wrote on 10/18/2008, 10:39 AM
Why should they mention that the upgrade version requires an earlier version? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF "UPGRADE"
The point is that the B&H deal requires Vegas 6 or 7 installed, whereas the upgrade direct from SONY can use the serial number from any version of Vegas. So, you wouldn't be able to use the B&H deal to upgrade from Vegas 5, but the SONY upgrade would work.
The point is that the B&H deal requires Vegas 6 or 7 installed, whereas the upgrade direct from SONY can use the serial number from any version of Vegas. So, you wouldn't be able to use the B&H deal to upgrade from Vegas 5, but the SONY upgrade would work.
blink3times
wrote on 10/18/2008, 11:01 AM
"Yes .. BUT .. B & H *also* sells a NON- upgrade version of Vegas Pro 8 .. for even less money than the upgrade.
And THAT's the one that doesn't have dvda or a AC3 encoder. That's why it's cheaper.
And THAT's the one that doesn't have dvda or a AC3 encoder. That's why it's cheaper.
blink3times
wrote on 10/18/2008, 11:05 AM
Personally speaking, I wish Sony would disallow this sort of thing. It's sort of a double-edge sword.... Vegas usage is on the rise because of these deals. But then on the other hand it does tend to make the program look a little less than professional.
Himanshu
wrote on 10/18/2008, 12:44 PM
Speaking only for myself, I'm glad I was able to get Vegas Pro 8.0 for $129 from B&H. If not, I would have stayed with Vegas Movie Studio becuase of the higher price point of Vegas Pro (with DVDA). At the moment I can make DVDs with DVD Architect Studio so I don't really need DVDA. When the time is right and I need DVDA5 for BluRay then Sony will probably get my upgrade money anyway, but the point is I got in at a decent price. Wouldn't Sony marketing want to do this sort of thing on purpose to get people to buy the software?
blink3times
wrote on 10/18/2008, 1:26 PM
"Wouldn't Sony marketing want to do this sort of thing on purpose to get people to buy the software?"
Well that very much depends on who you want to market to. Point of fact, Vegas usage is up and it's up because of these deals... which is a good thing. Every site that you go to these days has mention of Vegas and these so-called "B&H deals". But then on the other hand it's kind of difficult to market Vegas to the pro industry when it's selling for about the same price and availability as Pinnacle studio.
We're in sort of a new era here where anybody can purchase one of these video apps, throw it on their machine. and go to it. So what you're really kind of left with in deciding a junior app from a pro app (if you don't know them) is price and availability. You won't for example see Adobe CS4 or Avid MC split up and sold in cheap pieces at Tiger direct. Although they would no doubt make more money in doing it, I doubt they would be willing to belittle the programs in that fashion.
And that (IMO) is what is happening here.... Sony's making more money but they're also slowly turning Vegas into what will eventually be known as a consumer level app
Well that very much depends on who you want to market to. Point of fact, Vegas usage is up and it's up because of these deals... which is a good thing. Every site that you go to these days has mention of Vegas and these so-called "B&H deals". But then on the other hand it's kind of difficult to market Vegas to the pro industry when it's selling for about the same price and availability as Pinnacle studio.
We're in sort of a new era here where anybody can purchase one of these video apps, throw it on their machine. and go to it. So what you're really kind of left with in deciding a junior app from a pro app (if you don't know them) is price and availability. You won't for example see Adobe CS4 or Avid MC split up and sold in cheap pieces at Tiger direct. Although they would no doubt make more money in doing it, I doubt they would be willing to belittle the programs in that fashion.
And that (IMO) is what is happening here.... Sony's making more money but they're also slowly turning Vegas into what will eventually be known as a consumer level app
craftech
wrote on 10/18/2008, 1:43 PM
Speaking only for myself, I'm glad I was able to get Vegas Pro 8.0 for $129 from B&H. If not, I would have stayed with Vegas Movie Studio becuase of the higher price point of Vegas Pro (with DVDA). At the moment I can make DVDs with DVD Architect Studio so I don't really need DVDA.
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I didn't even realize they sold that version until the link was posted here. That version has a part number of VP8Q. After searching Google, it seems that B&H may be the only one who sells it.
What I don't understand is how one can do without the AC3 encoder. I can understand using another authoring program to master the DVD instead of using DVDA, but not being able to render AC3 audio from the editing timeline seems like a huge negative. How are you encoding the Dolby Digital Audio?
John
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I didn't even realize they sold that version until the link was posted here. That version has a part number of VP8Q. After searching Google, it seems that B&H may be the only one who sells it.
What I don't understand is how one can do without the AC3 encoder. I can understand using another authoring program to master the DVD instead of using DVDA, but not being able to render AC3 audio from the editing timeline seems like a huge negative. How are you encoding the Dolby Digital Audio?
John