Vegas Video 3.0c and Noise Reduction 2.0a

wcoxe1 wrote on 6/25/2002, 9:58 PM
To say that I am a beginner at Noise Reduction is an understatement. Although I have been using Vegas Video 3.0 for a while, and understand some of its features, Noise Reduction completely baffles me. Not the principle of Noise Prints, that is easy. It is the step by step implementation that confuses me.

The manual I have is very confusing. It looks like it is 2 years out of date although I down loaded it recently from Sonic Foundry.com. It doesn't refer to Vegas Video 3.0 at ALL, and what I have inferred just messes me up or gives little or no results as all.

I have tried everything I can think of in the HELP files, but it hardly refers to Noise Reduction, at all. Even after I installed Noise Reduction. Doesn't it augment the Help files?

Any one have a step by step method of using NR2.0 IN Vegas Video 3.0? EACH of the modules!

Another thing. Why the heck does it take so many steps to get anywhere in Vegas Video, in general, and Noise Reduction in particular? Just to ADD Noise Reduction to the chain takes an unusual number of steps compared to the dozens of other programs I use and teach regularly.

Why isn't Assignable Audio FX at the bottom with the Transitions and Video FX where it seems it should be? It would be easy to get to there.

Why isn't there something directly analogous to TRACK EQ? Something EXACTLY like it for Assignable Audio FX!

I received nothing to tell me what to do with all those sample files, either. Were is the manual which should walk us through every one of those samples, telling us when we should do something, under what circumstances, and showing us when we have it right and giving us "results" that we can see and hear?

This is a VERY expensive PIECE of a program to have so little to teach people how to use it. I was VERY impressed with Vegas Video 3.0, enough to dump other recently bought programs. I am very DEpressed with Noise Reduction 2.0. Somebody, PLEASE REwrite the manual, expand.

Thanks.

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Rednroll wrote on 6/25/2002, 11:05 PM



"Any one have a step by step method of using NR2.0 IN Vegas Video 3.0? EACH of the modules!"

1. Goto Mixer section, right click select "insert assignable effect" and then select "Noise reduction" from the plugin list.

2. Goto Menu "View" and check "plugin-ins". Drag the open Noise reduction window to the botton of the screen and it will dock on the botton like you're asking for in the "plugin" tab window.

3. select a small area where there is only the noise present.
4. Goto the noise reduction and check "capture noise print"
5. Hit "Cntrl+space bar" to start playback. Hit "Cntrl+space bar" to stop the playback. (You now just captured your noise print.
6. turn the volume all the way down on the channel you want to noise reduce.
7. Goto the "pan" control and drop down the menu and select "FX1"
8. Right click on the control and select "Pre volume"
9. Raise FX1 to 0dB
10. Hit Cntrl+space bar to start playing back the entire file.
11. Goto the bottom of the screen where you docked the noise reduction plugin and make adjustments.

Some of these steps are unnecessary, I chose to "insert an assignable fx", and use the FX1 fader to send the signal to the plugin. You can easily insert the noise reduction plugin into the "master bus" and use the volume control to achieve the same thing with less steps if you chose.


"Another thing. Why the heck does it take so many steps to get anywhere in Vegas Video, in general, and Noise Reduction in particular? Just to ADD Noise Reduction to the chain takes an unusual number of steps compared to the dozens of other programs I use and teach regularly."

No other noise reduction does an actual sample of the noise and therefore reduces the actual noise instead of a sampled preset used by other sub-par noise reduction plugins. If you don't like the "capture noiseprint" option because there is too many steps for you, then use the drop down menu and select one of the sonic Foundry presets. The Sonic Foundry Noise reduction is far better than any other noise reduction because of this feature and you should incorporate this knowledge of knowing how to use it when you teach regularly.

"Why isn't Assignable Audio FX at the bottom with the Transitions and Video FX where it seems it should be? It would be easy to get to there."

See the steps I've given above. They are there, if you chose to put them there.

"Why isn't there something directly analogous to TRACK EQ? Something EXACTLY like it for Assignable Audio FX!"

All inserts and FX's are chainable...therefore you can put eq before or after an assignable effect making it "directly analogous to TRACK EQ" or you can put an effect in the insert path with the EQ in the channel. Take your pick, Vegas works however YOU chose to work.

"I received nothing to tell me what to do with all those sample files, either. Were is the manual which should walk us through every one of those samples, telling us when we should do something, under what circumstances, and showing us when we have it right and giving us "results" that we can see and hear?"

Go Here:
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/tutorials/default.asp

This is a VERY expensive PIECE of a program to have so little to teach people how to use it. I was VERY impressed with Vegas Video 3.0, enough to dump other recently bought programs. I am very DEpressed with Noise Reduction 2.0. Somebody, PLEASE REwrite the manual, expand it.

Of those other programs, did any of them include Audio Logic platinum? Cubase VST? Nuendo? or Pro-Tools? You'll pay a lot more for these programs and get nothing near the ease of use and tutorial guides found on this website for no additional charge.
Vegas is very user friendly and intuitive. Learn to use your right click button and you will find everything you need directly at your finger tips. I read the manual for Vegas Pro v1.0 when it was first released, I haven't had to read it since to use Vegas.

HELP!
Quit whinning so much and just ask next time, why all the drama? :-)
Geoff_Wood wrote on 6/26/2002, 4:14 AM
VV is a multitrack recording environment. Your noise reduction is more of an 'editing' thing and I find it is far appropriate to use it in SoundForge. May just be my way of thinking ...
Chienworks wrote on 6/26/2002, 7:19 AM
Noise Reduction doesn't update the help files of the host applications because it can be used in any DX plugin enabled program, and that would be a lot of files to update. Noise Reduction does include it's own help pages though, and they include quite detailed instructions on how to use it.
wcoxe1 wrote on 6/27/2002, 11:31 AM
Thank you, all, for your assistance. I will give these instructions and other comments a try as soon as I can break away from my teaching duties.

As I said, I am new to this Video business. I am NOT new to computers, and have been a beta tester for hundreds of computer and software products. Perhaps I am whining, as one of you stated, but I have to look back over the last several decades and think: "Never, NEVER seen such complicated software with so little instruction, especially for the price. Why wasn't something like your suggestions IN the package?

By the way, I DID ask. Directly to Sonic Foundery. I am still waiting for a response, after 3 weeks.

Again, thanks.
Geoff_Wood wrote on 6/27/2002, 9:21 PM
I guess the manual and help does pre-suppose a reassonable knowledge about the subject, as it is not intended as a beginner's level app. Maybe they could redo a section of the manual with that in mind.

What info in the manual is "out of date" ?
Rednroll wrote on 6/29/2002, 5:06 PM
Yeah the manual assumes that you have audio engineering experience and understand simple audio terms. It doesn't tell you how to be an audio engineer. Just like adobe photoshop manual and tutorials tell you how to do certain things, and effects, but doesn't teach you how to be an artist. I guess you'll have to spend some time like the rest of us that learned how to be an audio engineer, and then you'll get the full potential out of Vegas and be able to appreciate it a lot more for the great tool it is.
VideoArizona wrote on 7/5/2002, 9:35 PM
Just to let you know that Syntrillium's Cool Edit 2000 does include the ability to get a noise sample from the audio track and reduce noise based on that.

But it can't edit video....!!!