Vegas4 & TMPGEnc & Avisynth ???

snake wrote on 5/5/2003, 1:36 PM
Hi. I am trying out Vegas4 at the moment, but I've seen on 2-3 posts that frameserving from it to TMPGEnc via Avisynth is NOT possible... Bummer !
Can anyone confirm this ?

If it's real, then I don't see why every tester out there has rated Vegas 4 so high,
because the lack of frameserving ability will put it far behind Premiere or MSP7 (they can frameserve, at least). Otherwise it has some pretty good functions, that's the sad part... But if I have to render a big-ass .avi before encoding to MPEG, forget it ! I've had a look at samples encoded with the Mainconcept encoder, and it's far worse than TMPGEnc (the latter is more flexible and configurable). I'd rather avoid using it altogether if possible.

So SF, get your asses back to work and code some Avisynth plugin, otherwise never will I buy this software (or any other emanating from you). Hope you get the message.

Comments

jetdv wrote on 5/5/2003, 1:45 PM
Frameserving is now possible. Search for Frameserve and Satish.

(or go to www.debugmode.com and download it - it's FREE)
DDogg wrote on 5/5/2003, 2:05 PM
You should really apologize to the group for this incredibly ignorant and stupid post.
Frenchy wrote on 5/5/2003, 2:20 PM
snake:
If you don't like it, don't use it, and keep your ignorant dumb-ass posts to yourself

Frenchy
DOGoodman wrote on 5/5/2003, 2:54 PM
"So SF, get your asses back to work and code some Avisynth plugin, otherwise never will I buy this software (or any other emanating from you). Hope you get the message."

I'm sure your lack of patronage will be applauded.
BillyBoy wrote on 5/6/2003, 11:09 AM
Frame serving is over rated to begin with. Nice that you can do it now with a plug-in, if you think you must but two things to consider. If you frameserve from VirtualDub to get the benefit of of its various noise reduction filters for example, it is MUCH faster to simplly do it FIRST in VirtualDub, then bring the noise reduced version into Vegas to do the lion's share of editing, correcting. Just some very rough testing, doing it my way is at least ten times faster because VirtualDub can do rendering much much faster than Vegas. As far as frame serving to TMPGEnc, again, I would assume most would want to do that for rendering, which again is rather pointless with MC's excellent encoder that is equal to or better than TMPGEnc, except perhaps for MPEG-1 where TMPGEnc seems better.
snake wrote on 5/7/2003, 10:39 AM
Thanks a bunch for the input.

I'm not using VirtualDub yet : I haven't found no good & free VFW wrapper, VDub can't capture directly from my Datavideo DAC-100, and can't read the DV files created with it (uses Microsoft DV codec v2, I think). If you know about a good one, I'm open to suggestions). And I'm indeed encoding to MPEG1 for the final product (sources are old VHS tapes, so 480 or 720*576 MPEG2 is quite useless).
I use TMPGEnc because it's much more flexible & configurable than the MC encoder integrated in Vegas (haven't found any way to make a XVCD (VCD2.0), the bitrate is fixed to VCD1.0 = 1150Kbps and to SVCD 480*576 2.6Mbits/s). And from my tests, quality is better (though encoding times are longer).

(to everyone else : as for apologizing, forget it people ! I've wasted a lot of money (about 500€) on unuseable hardware, lost many precious hours over this software problem, and if I had known from the start I wouldn't have bothered to try it at all(lucky for me a friend had it handy so I haven't had to buy it beforehand, THAT would have infuriated me). It ain't the first time I find out about an infirmity after having settled on some product, and I'm getting weary of all that, to say the least. If hardware and software companies were honest about what their stuff can and CAN'T do, it'd be better for everybody, and for them first (less returns, restockings and complaints)! )

So long...
musicvid10 wrote on 5/7/2003, 9:58 PM
So just how is Vegas responsible for the previous hardware and software issues you've had? I'd say you need to grow up.
DDogg wrote on 5/7/2003, 11:36 PM
I think we are feeding a troll :)
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/7/2003, 11:51 PM
I took a look at the XVCD specs. Why can't vegas burn an Mpeg to those specs? Looks just like a VCD with variable bitrate (according to www.vcdhelp.com). Just change your settings and make a pre-set. ALL the mpeg settings for ANY pre-set are changable. Plus, you can't use the mpeg encoder until after you register it, so that could be why you didn't get to change your settings. So, if you borrowed it from a friend and didn't register it on your computer, then you couldn't change the settings.

For old VHS tapes, I'd recomend SVCD. The higher resolution will keep the quality of the VHS. VCD (or XVCD) won't be as nice looking.

See, should of just said your problem first off and people could of helped you.
Josh15 wrote on 5/8/2003, 1:20 AM
"ALL the mpeg settings for ANY pre-set are changable"

Not exactly true. When you choose VCD preset, you can't make the bitrate higher than 1150000 (haven't tried other settings). But, it's very easy to choose MPEG1, and then make all the settings for XVCD, and save as a preset.

It seems to me snake is mad at the world in general, and takes it out on Vegas.
PDB wrote on 5/8/2003, 3:46 AM
Snake, if you don't like Vegas, sell it and move on...but then, I don't see why you are asking for help...
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/8/2003, 7:12 AM
He didn't buy it. He "borrowed" a friends copy. Nothing to sell on e-bay except the hardware he bought.
PDB wrote on 5/8/2003, 7:16 AM
Oh, in that case, he can just "give it back"...and maybe "borrow" someone's premier!
wri7913 wrote on 5/8/2003, 2:10 PM
Snake,

You say the bitrate if fixed in Vegas? How so? If you create a custom template of VCD, SVCD or DVD to the bitrate you want, then you can create the template to encode at the bitrate you want.

How to do it;

Setup your video in the timeline and edit as you normally do

Render as: then pick the template you "normally" would use

Look for the "Custom" button underneath the Save and Cancel buttons

When you click on Custom another panel comes up. At the bottom of the panel are the following tabs: Project, Video, Advanced Video, Audio and System.

Click on Video Tab. At the bottom of the panel under video you will see Constant or Variable Bit Rate settings. I have my SVCD template under Variable Bit rate with the settings 2,150,000 bps for average and maximum settings. This keeps my SVCD render to within the size necessary for fitting on a CD-ROM. I can then render my favorite episodes of Star Trek and burn to CD-ROM.

Be WARNED! If you set something wrong on the custom template, it will error out your rendering. I experienced this because i goofed a setting on the audio part. I simply picked the Vegas SVCD Template and then redid the settings without touching the audio part (the troublesome area) and all worked great!. I can now render my tv shows to CD-ROM