VegasUsers.com chat event!

Chienworks wrote on 9/9/2005, 7:52 PM
We're holding our first ever chat event at http://www.vegasusers.com/chat/login. The topic will be Workflow challenges in Vegas 6 and will be hosted by Douglas Spotted Eagle. This will take place Wednesday, September 14 at 8:30pm eastern / 5:30pm pacific. We will also be discussing ideas for what we as users would like to see in the future of Vegas.

Participation does require registering a chat handle with your email address. This process usually takes a minute or less, but can sometimes be delayed at times. You may want to register early and poke around the chatroom interface to see what it's like before our event starts. That way you can comfortably concentrate on the topic at hand rather than trying to learn all the functions at that time.

This event is open and all are welcome. We do expect that participants will be courteous and constructive. Hopefully all will go well and this will be the first of many such events. We look forward to seeing many of you there and continuing to build the Vegas community.

Comments

drbam wrote on 9/9/2005, 8:04 PM
Given that DSE is hosting, isn't it reasonable to assume that the focus will be primarily video? With all due respect and nothing personal, given the frustration and hard feelings related to the the direction that Sony has clearly taken with Vegas (primarily a video production tool), posting this notice here on the audio forum feels a bit disengenous to say the least – salt on the wounds is more accurate.

Respectfully,

drbam
farss wrote on 9/10/2005, 2:04 AM
You're right, Vegas only makes silent movies. The biggest selling point of Vegas is (and I always hammer that point home), it's audio capabilities. We now live in a world where there's percentage wise very few audio or video only production houses. So OK. the paleo-audio guys didn't get a lot of things they should have, despite their unfullfilled wish lists how is it that none of the serious deficiancies of Vegas's audio post capabilities ever got a mention?
What about the neo-audio guys, the ones doing audio post production for video / film, seems to me in the general stampede a whole hemisphere of audio production is consistently overlooked.
Bob.
Chienworks wrote on 9/10/2005, 3:59 AM
Speaking only for myself, i would say that about 60% of my Vegas usage is audio only, maybe 25% audio with video, and 15% video only. I seem to recall that DSE is pretty well known for his audio work too.
drbam wrote on 9/10/2005, 6:58 AM
" I seem to recall that DSE is pretty well known for his audio work too."

Exactly and its certainly what he is best known for. I've admired his audio work and have some of his CDs. And I'm glad you made this comment because it helps to underscore my original point: The glaring irony here is that DSE doesn't even use Vegas as his primary audio app! I think its safe to speculate that this is because Vegas obviously lacks some of the features he requires. Given the nature of DSE's relationship with Sony, could any other reason for this possibly exist? Nuff said. . .

drbam
farss wrote on 9/10/2005, 4:23 PM
That's an odd comment, he always talks about the number of movie soundtracks that he's mixed in Vegas and I seem to recall him saying during his last visit a few weeks ago that the music for the 2002 Winter Olympics was also mixed in Vegas, something about 115 tracks being used comes to mind. Still it's not my place to speak for the man, maybe a caht session would be an ideal opportunity to get it straight from the man himself.

I for one would certainly like to see more development, training and promotion of Vegas's audio capabilities but I do see a marketing problem for Sony in that regard, Sony is hardly a name that comes to mind for audio! I'd certainly like to see them do with audio what they've started to do with video, getting Vegas and Xpri closer together. If they get better support for their Oxford lineup in Vegas would be great, then again they could end up going head to head with some very heavy hitters in the audio field.

Bob.
drbam wrote on 9/10/2005, 4:50 PM
"That's an odd comment, he always talks about the number of movie soundtracks that he's mixed in Vegas and I seem to recall him saying during his last visit a few weeks ago that the music for the 2002 Winter Olympics was also mixed in Vegas"

Apples and oranges – The above examples refer to exactly what Vegas has become: a video app with very capable audio features but far from what a full featured AUDIO app should be in today's market. Ask DSE if he produces his AUDIO ONLY projects in Vegas. My bet is that he does not.

drbam
farss wrote on 9/10/2005, 11:21 PM
Well I don't know how a movie soundtrack or an events opening music isn't an audio job?
But I think the audio world and the video world suffer from a bit of confusion due to changes in workflow over the past few years. What used to be done by differerent people/departments/companies is now falling in just one persons lap. To me content creation is a very different business to content editing and mixing, that goes for both audio and video. For content creation I'd agree Vegas isn't the right tool. To some extent at least on the video side you can get some joy but there's way better applications purpose built for just that task.
I don't create audio content, mostly record and mix it or just plain edit someone else's work and for that I really cannot complain about the capabilities of Vegas, if only it handled high end audio better and would ingest / render bwf and handle multitrack audio output to video tape.
Perhaps we should stop talking about Vegas Audio and call it Vegas Music?
Bob.
JMacSTL wrote on 9/12/2005, 1:51 PM
Why argue about what it's NOT? C'mon..I've been using Vegas for AUDIO ONLY in a post production environment for two and a half years...having dumped my AMS Audiofile for Vegas. I resisted ProTools for so long, but now, Vegas has become a very very very capable tool for getting things done. I have yet to have a single client say "wow, that's not ProTools...I"m not working with you any more.". Few clients know the difference...and as nice as it would be to have onboard MIDI, i have a 2nd PC with SONAR and Gigastudio running....and they lock together with MTC just fine.

Vegas is a great tool. Appreciate it for what it does....and does well. And c'mon..for the PRICE? Geeze.

(Not a Sony employee, btw. Avatar Studios..www.avatar-studios.com Full service post facility in ST. Louis. Clients: Anheuser-Busch, SeaWorld, SBC, St. Louis Cardinals, Enterprise Rent A Car, Monsanto, Busch Gardens, Ford, Lincoln-Mercury, Six Flags, St. Louis Science Center).

jmm in stl

Windows10 with Vegas 11 Pro (most recent build). Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 3.90 GHz, 32GB ram, separate audio and video disks. Also Vegas 17 Pro on same system. GPU: NVDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER. Dynamic RAM preview=OFF.

drbam wrote on 9/12/2005, 3:40 PM
"C'mon..I've been using Vegas for AUDIO ONLY in a post production environment for two and a half years...having dumped my AMS Audiofile for Vegas."

Gee, I'm glad Vegas is working for you and thanks for the little motivational talk – although it really wasn't necessary since I've been using Vegas since V.1 and certainly know what it is. . . and what its not.

Peace,

drbam