Video Cards for Vegas Pro/Studio

Former user wrote on 7/9/2019, 12:44 PM

Hi.

I'm hoping to gain some knowledge from the folks here about what video cards they currently are using with Magix Vegas products.

For years I've had Pro and Studio 9 from the old Sony days, but it's time for new hardware and software. My use is strictly personal photos and video using short clips (a mix of AVC, MPEG2, AVI, MKV and a few 720 and 1440 stuff) with a total duration of usually less than an hour.

My system is an Intel based Skylake (i9 x series on a Asus x299 based MB). Software I'm using: Lightroom, DXO PhotoLab, Vegas Pro/Studio and Neat Video. Render usually to MP4 (720), MPEG2 (DVD) so far.

The cards I've been looking at are:

Nvidia RTX 2080TI (which may be out of budget and overkill for me)

Nvidia RTX 2080, RTX 2070 (both are within reason)

Nvidia RTX 4000 (my original choice which I'm doubting)

I've also considered: AMD RX Vega 64 and the Radeon VII

My own personal thoughts based on correspondence from Magix support and online benchmarks is while the AMD GPU's (Vega 64 and VII) hold their own, they have driver optimization issues. The Nvidia RTX 4000 seems middle of the road for workstations, but the RTX 20xx's seem just as good.

I realize there's no perfect card for all application software, but wondering if there is a well rounded one?

I'd appreciate your input on these cards, and what card you hate or love.

Thanks

 

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Chief24 wrote on 7/9/2019, 1:19 PM

First question back to you: Since you are on the X299 platform, that would mean you currently need to have a dedicated GPU. So, what card do you currently have?

Second question then: What is it about your current GPU that requires upgrade? Notwithstanding any hardware problems that require a change.

You are going to receive a lot of different opinions on either side of the Camps, whether they be AMD or nVidia (at least those that have the iGPU's or APU's can't recommend them).

I have a Radeon VII in one machine, an RTX 2070 Founder's Edition in the other. Both do the job.

So what you have listed above, with the exception of the RTX 4000 (Quadro line of cards), all work fine in Vegas Pro and/or Movie Studio. Even the RX 470/480/570/580/590 cards work fine from what I have seen, some here still have even older nVidia and AMD cards that "just do the job". And, once AMD gets their driver squared away (again!) for the recent 5700/5700XT launch, those cards supposedly bring a lot to the "Content Creation Table - Rendering, Editing, etc.".

How fast? That depends on what YOU want. I'm happy how my cards perform, and like I have posted in other threads about GPU's, computer builds, CPU's, it doesn't matter how fast I can get something done (not getting paid anyway!), but is the Content I create satisfying to ME?

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TheRhino wrote on 7/9/2019, 1:21 PM

The new Radeon NAVI GPUs are supposed to perform slightly better than a Vega 64 in games, etc. but I have not seen someone benchmark Vegas with one... IMO the Vega 64 is the best bang/buck for Vegas... In April I found a liquid-cooled Vega 64 for $350 (USD) at Newegg. It performs as well as the $700 Radeon VII in Vegas according to benchmarks posted on this forum. For instance, paired with a 9900K I get 14s on the Red Car Test which is the same as an AMD 1950X with Radeon VII. Some apps do better with Nvidia but the latest versions of Vegas have done well with AMD GPUs. I have not had any issues with my Vega 64 drivers, but I got mine about a year into driver updates...

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j-v wrote on 7/9/2019, 2:44 PM

I'm hoping to gain some knowledge from the folks here about what video cards they currently are using with Magix Vegas products.

The "folks here" have their own and most not all, but if you know what Vegas need you must look at the needed specs and than take your pick that you and your wallet like.
These are the needed specs for the latest Vegas Pro 16:

and this for VMS 16:

 

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Former user wrote on 7/9/2019, 2:44 PM

Thanks for the comments. This is a new system, so I can pick the video card. Of course within a budget of around $700 USD +/- a few hundred. I don't want water cooling, and no O.C.

My current system is an old dog. I can barely do 720 AVC.

Former user wrote on 7/9/2019, 2:51 PM

Chief24. Are you saying that the RTX 4000 won't work as good as the other cards?

JV.  I think I'll make those specs for sure. Thank you for the latest info.