Video CD

Caruso wrote on 10/31/2001, 4:44 AM
I am trying to make a video cd that will play on my DVD machine. I am using Roxio's Easy CD Creater version 5 that has a "wizard" which should make this a simple step by step process. My problem is that Easy CD Creator reports that my MPG file is not of a type that will play on my DVD, although the program graciously asks if I want to go ahead and print to CD anyhow.

I'm using VV version h to render the MPG. I used the MPG template, and the only thing I changed was video from good to best. A 15 minute video took approximately 6.5 hrs to render (which did not surprise me).

What am I doing wrong, or, more precisely, what need I do to make an MPG that will work?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Caruso

Comments

tinklady wrote on 10/31/2001, 5:09 PM
I sure hope someone answers this one. I just bought the easy Cd Creator 5 also. I thought you could take the avi that has been edited and rendered and then convert with the CD creator to MEPEG. Look at 12-3 in your user guide. I sure hope it works that way. Let me know.
Good Luck to both of us.
Foreverain4 wrote on 11/1/2001, 7:42 AM
go file, render as, choose mpg from the file type menu, go into custom settings and choose the video CD NSTC template. note that this will not work in every dvd player. i would render one file at preview quality and one at best and really see if there is a difference. i have not noticed a difference rendering to an avi. rendering at best quality drastically increases render time.
dsanders wrote on 11/1/2001, 11:19 AM
Take a look at the following link. It should help you in choosing the proper MPEG settings when you want to create a VCD or DVD. It contains a lot of information, but you really need to become familiar with many of the topics discussed. For instance, the VV MPEG Best setting is way overkill for VCD.

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html

way2slo wrote on 11/1/2001, 2:31 PM
did u render the file as mpeg-1 which is vcd format? i mean as long as the file is a mpeg-1 and the cd creator will take it. u can take avantage of the mpeg-2, make a svcd which is better than the vcd and view it thru ur dvd player. the qualilty on vcd is worse than vhs tape.

u can also try http://www.vcdhelper.com/
u will find a lot there.
good luck
Cheesehole wrote on 11/2/2001, 3:18 AM
i'm surprised no one has mentioned TMPGenc. i have posted several times that the best way to make your VCD compliant file is with the Tsunami MPEG encoder. if you search the Vegas forum on TMPGenc you should find more details on the topic. the basic idea is to render to DV from Vegas and then use the TMPGenc to recompress it to a VCD MPG file. btw - it's free.
http://www.tmpgenc.com/e_main.html

hey... new version is up there.
dsanders wrote on 11/2/2001, 3:37 PM
Hopefully TMPG will stay free (or at least low cost). Right now they are calling it "Beta" (or something like that). I would like to see VV give me the ability to use an external encoder. I think Adobe Premier has a plugin called AVISynth???? that allows you to hook Adobe to an encoder like TMPG.
Rednroll wrote on 11/2/2001, 3:53 PM
I use the Vegas Template for rendering to MPEG for a video CD, but then I use Nero to create the actual VCD and this works perfectly and plays in a DVD player. I'm not sure how to do it in CHEEZY CD Creator, but Nero set's up the template for making VCD's and then if there is anything wrong with the rendering of your mpeg and audio, the program will inform you and then offers to correct them for you, by re-rendering to the correct format.

Regards,
Brian Franz
Victorious wrote on 11/2/2001, 4:56 PM
Rednroll,
will the method you described work on a set top DVD also or just a computer DVD?
Cheesehole wrote on 11/3/2001, 1:28 AM
the NERO method will work with set-top DVD players that support VCD. I've also had success with NERO. it seems like a very capable program and i'd choose it over Adaptec's software any day. There are instructions for NERO VCD burning over on www.vcdhelper.com
Rednroll wrote on 11/3/2001, 2:15 PM
Yes, they will work on a regular DVD player if it supports VCD readability and also reads CDRs. This is why I was actually making these types of CDs. I'm an engineer who designs CD/DVD technology for automobiles and I had to verify that our new 6 disc DVD player supported VCD's and that these VCD's also played in home DVD's.
fosko wrote on 11/4/2001, 5:09 PM
Does anyone know of a way of creating a reagular CD with an executable . . .so that Me videos could be read on a CD without the other person having to have Mindows Media Player or REAL PLAYER ?
dsanders wrote on 11/4/2001, 8:09 PM
It's easy to do this.

1) Create a file called autorun.inf

2) Add the following 2 lines to the file:

[autorun]
OPEN=intervideo/windvd/WINDVD.exe

Replace the intervideo.../WINDVD.exe with the path and name of the executable that you want to automatically start

3) Burn it to the root directory of the CD.

When the CD is inserted, autorun.inf file is read, the [autorun] section is parsed and executed, causing the program you want to run.

Now for the problems!!!!! You need to find a player for the type of files you want to play. This player must be a complete executable (or come with all of the required DLLs). Programs like RealPlayer and the MS MediaPlayer require that the player be installed - something that you really don't want to do. Some VCD burning software packages come with players that you freely distribute, like the WinDVD player in my example.
fosko wrote on 11/6/2001, 9:51 AM
Thanks Dsanders ( And cheinworks). I tried the Autorun thingwith VCD, but the computer had trouble finding the file (I dont have a DVD yet)
So . .
If I just want a Video CD to run on PC (not DVD or Play station), couldn't I just right it as a Data disk with an MPEG1 and Autorun.inf file on it ???

I tried it like that, but what it did was just open up Media player and didnt play the file.

Does anyone know of a good portable media player ?
dsanders wrote on 11/6/2001, 1:00 PM
I thought that you wanted to included the player on the VCD so that the other person would not have to have the player on their own machine. To do this you need to find a player that you can freely distribute and is built to include all of the DLL (these are executable type files that the main executable uses) that it needs. Windows MediaPlayer and RealPlayer are not options here since they come packaged as an installation program and copy many different files to many different places on your machine.

What does your Autorun.inf file look like? Sometimes all you need to do is to specify the name of your video file after the name of the executable that you are using. For example:

[autorun]
OPEN=intervideo/windvd/WINDVD.exe /MyVideo.mpg
fosko wrote on 11/6/2001, 1:25 PM
OK Thanks
I think that's what I need. My AUTORUN file looked like that ( except for Meida Player) but didnt havethe file name of the video and I guess that makes since. Thanks!

I put MEDIA Player in theere just to kind of test it myself at home. I'm still looking for a portable Media viewer. I'm going over to TUCOWS to check it out now

Question !!!
If I thae same line inthe auto file (with file name on the end), will it still play in a DVD with just the AUTORUN.INF file and MPEG file on disk ???

I really appreciate your help. I dont have DVD player to test it on nor have I ever even used one (I know, behind the times :-)
dsanders wrote on 11/6/2001, 5:18 PM
No, It will not play in a set top DVD player! The file structure required by a DVD player is VERY different than what your computer uses. You need to purchase some DVD authoring software (like MyDVD, Nero, or EZ CD Creator Deluxe) to imbed the MPEG file you created into a DVD Compliant disk image. This image includes things like a pre-roll overture, menu buttons, chapter points, and so. Simply burning an MPEG file onto a "DVD Disk" will not allow the MPEG to be played.

For more information check out the MyDVD web site (take a look at their forums) at www.sonic.com and read about DVDs at http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html

In the past I've been criticized for being too negative when it comes to being able to create home grown DVDs. But the truth of the matter is that it is not a simple drag an drop operation that we are all used to when we burn audio CDs. The software out there to do this kind of stuff is just begining to be available to consumers.
fosko wrote on 11/8/2001, 12:11 PM
Thanks for the tips. I finally got it to work (kinda). Now it won't STOP playing haha. It just keeps looping back. That's no biggie, I can work around that.

What I wanted to do was distribute these videos for folks with the lowest common demoninator (PCs) so I wasn't too pressed about making it DVD compatibale, but of course if I can add that feature all the better.

I'm still checking around for a portable player.