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bill-kranz wrote on 1/27/2009, 9:06 AM
Mike:

Hi. I have 2 new videos on Vimeo. They were a recent MPEG 2 from Vegas Pro 8.0c and a MPEG 4 from Pinnacle Studio Pro.

On the Vimeo pages they have primers on different files and compression settings. A lady named Eugenia has the best insight. But I uploaded those 2 and they look fine and dandy. They were from a JVC 1.33 MP MiniDV tape camcorder.

My biggest gripe is that the uploading took almost 6 hours for the one and 4 hours for the other. My playback is on a powerful PC, Ethernet, and a newer HP 19 in. widescreen PC LCD monitor.

Here are my 2 creations if you want to see them:

http://vimeo.com/2953956 (from Pinnacle)
http://vimeo.com/2889261 (from Sony Vegas Pro)

They also offer a HD service but I think that costs money.

I like Vimeo and think you will to.

Bill


RalphM wrote on 1/27/2009, 12:24 PM
I've not encountered the excessive upload times that BillCelestialTheatre mentions. However, depending on the load at Vimeo, it can be several hours after upload until the video has been processed for viewing.

For almost any amount of motion, de-interlacing is a must.

As Bill mentions, read the tutorials. The free service limits you to one HD upload (and 500 MBytes per week). The paid subscription gives you unlimited HD uploads with a 5GByte limit per week.
farss wrote on 1/27/2009, 12:41 PM
Best if your video is progressive and 24fps. Make the effort to conform to that and things look better. The paid for service now lets you specify 24 or 25fps.

Bob.
bill-kranz wrote on 1/27/2009, 12:47 PM
RalphM:

Thanks for filling out some of that key information. (I cannot access the Vimeo site from work it is banned...)

Next time I upload I will check the de-interlacing option in Vegas and I do appreciate you making us aware of that key setting.

Take care,

Bill

RalphM wrote on 1/27/2009, 1:34 PM
As Bob points out, they also recommend 24 or 25P. I'm still on Vegas 6, and that was the only oprtion I saw for deinterlaced progressive.
L8R wrote on 1/28/2009, 6:41 AM
just a question on the conversion.
If I am shooting on an FX1 and it is shot native 1440x1080 60i. Same as my workflow....
Would I choose the MPEG-2 @ HDV 720-30P or HDV 720-25P?
I think it would be 30P.... I'm thinking 25P is europe.
Or am I off all together?
Woodenmike wrote on 1/31/2009, 4:33 PM
thanks for the posts...i have one video up already that i rendered as Mpeg4. The Mpeg2 took forever to upload as some have noted and when it was up, there was no sound. i will check out the de-interlacing and 24fpi. i like the site because of the control over your material...you can post private video that is password protected or have public postings as you wish. i am posting video progress reports of an ongoing restoration project that need to stay within a committee level and some will eventially be posted in a public edited version that can get embedded in the client's site. i will continue to experiment with the settings suggested and see what works best. thanks again to all! WM
Jim H wrote on 2/1/2009, 9:37 PM
These are the settings Vimeo recommends for Sony Vegas:

http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/11/09/exporting-with-vegas-for-vimeo-hd/
bill-kranz wrote on 2/9/2009, 7:25 AM
Hi.
I have the free Vimeo service and had a 500 MB limit. The movie I wanted to post as a MPG-2 was 12 minutes 10 sec. and was 532 MB in size. So I re-rendered as a MPG-1 and that was only 157 MB.
The sound held up but when played in full screen it started to look crummy. But at the normal viewing size it was very presentable.
As someone still in the SD world I consider the MPG-1 option viable if your video goes over say 11min. 30 sec.

Thanks,
Bill
Tom Pauncz wrote on 2/9/2009, 8:49 AM
Bill,

Consider encoding your video to MP4 using the h.264 codec. You'll save a considerable amount in size and quality will be superb. Search for my name on Vimeo and look at "The Doorman".

I was DoP for it and it was shot in SD.
Tom
bill-kranz wrote on 2/9/2009, 9:52 AM
Tom:

Hi. I will try the h.264 option. I thought that was part of the High Def options.

Thx,
Bill K.

..and I wil check out your Doorman vid.
srode wrote on 2/9/2009, 6:40 PM
How do you render to H.264? What are the settings to do that on Vegas Pro 8?
bill-kranz wrote on 2/9/2009, 11:20 PM
Hi:

I messed around a bit with the Main Concept AVC/AAC mp4 codec from "render as..." for a video file that was 1 minute long, shot in SD.
The resultant file was 3.45 MB in size.
So this codec output will yield a 12 minute video with the size of 41.4 MB's; which is fine for VIMEO. I will test the quality later against the mpg-1 version I have on VIMEO.

I did look at the first 2 minutes of The Doorman video and it looked very good. So thanks, Tom, for the lead on the H.264 option.

I have also posted a Wikipedia paragraph on H.264/MPEG-4 for general reading.

H.264/MPEG-4 AVC
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MPEG-4 is a suite of standards which has many "parts", where each part standardizes various entities related to multimedia, such as audio, video, and file formats. To learn more about various parts and what they mean, please see the entry for MPEG-4.

H.264 is a standard for video compression, and is equivalent to MPEG-4 Part 10, or MPEG-4 AVC (for Advanced Video Coding). As of 2008[update], it is the latest block-oriented motion-compensation-based codec standard developed by the ITU-T Video Coding Experts Group (VCEG) together with the ISO/IEC Moving Picture Experts Group (MPEG), and it was the product of a partnership effort known as the Joint Video Team (JVT). The ITU-T H.264 standard and the ISO/IEC MPEG-4 Part 10 standard (formally, ISO/IEC 14496-10) are jointly maintained so that they have identical technical content. The final drafting work on the first version of the standard was completed in May 2003.