Vista 32 or 64 bit with Vegas?

DonLandis wrote on 5/18/2008, 4:16 PM
I have been looking into adding a quad core computer with either 4 or 8 Gb Ram. I was wondering who is using Vista now with Vegas and whether you are having any problems with it. Anyone using the Vista 64 bit version and what problems can be expected?

This is the system I was looking at:

Intel® Core™2 Extreme QX9650 (12MB,3GHz Factory O/C'd to 3.67GHz)
Windows Vista™ Ultimate
4GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz OC'd up to 1600MHz-4 DIMMs
SINGLE CARD:ATI Radeon 3870X2 1024MB
Blue Ray Burner

It is built by Dell.

I have several systems now working with SD video projects but planning to do more with AVCHD and HDV and discovered I need a much faster work flow so it is time to start looking into faster hardware and maybe the 64 bit OS.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

Comments

xberk wrote on 5/18/2008, 4:36 PM
I have zero problems with Vista 64 and Vegas. No issues. And regards Vista itself I"m finding I like it more and more. Most stable windows yet. LOVE the search. Even like the new WIndows Mail program.
Here's my custom build I did Sept 07.

Q6600 (not overclocking -- yet)
WD1500ADFD Raptor 150gig 10000 rpm boot drive (boots Vista in 40 seconds. opens Vegas in less than 5 seconds).
WD5000AAKS Sata2 500 gig 7200 rpm data drive
WinVista Home Premium 64bit
Antec Solo Case
Antec Neo HE 550 power supply
OCZ 4gb PC6400 800mhz Special Ops Ram
Gigabyte Mainboard P35C-DS3R (ready for Penryn)
Gigabyte Video card 8500GT (no fan)
Lite-on SATA 20x DVD burner

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

blink3times wrote on 5/18/2008, 4:39 PM
I'm using Vista 64 with no issues at all. In fact, if you're upgrading I would suggest skipping 32 and going straight to 64. Vegas 64 will be out soon and then you will have the option to upgrade to that.

Right now I'm running 8gig ram and no page file and all is fine.... seems pretty fast (you have to turn off Vista's new search system though.... it uses a lot of power for no great reason)

If you can, get Vista ultimate. It has a few goodies that home doesn't like DYNAMIC disks (a kind of software RAID where you can span drives to make one partition.... great for uncompressed avi work)
rmack350 wrote on 5/18/2008, 4:42 PM
If you want access to more than 3.2 GB then you need the 64-bit OS. Vegas, for the moment, is still pretty much limited to 2GB but if you have a system that can actually use 4 or more GB of RAM then Vegas will get more actual RAM to work in (more of it's 2 GB allotment will be RAM, less will be PF)

People are running Vegas8 on Vista 64. There are a couple of gotchas (install Dot Net 3.0 before you start to install Vegas, etc). Vegas 8 is not supported on the 64bit OS, so any complaints might go unanswered.

If you order from Dell, or anyone else, see if you can get install disks for both the 32bit and 64-bit OS. You may want to have both available for a while yet.

Rob Mack
blink3times wrote on 5/18/2008, 4:54 PM
"People are running Vegas8 on Vista 64. There are a couple of gotchas (install Dot Net 3.0 before you start to install Vegas, etc)."

DOTnet3 is already included in Vista.

If you buy the full version of Ultimate, both the 32 and 64 disk are included. In the home version I believe you get the 32 disk and have to write for the 64 disk.
JJKizak wrote on 5/19/2008, 5:21 AM
I have V8 in Vista 64 with 8 gig of ram. It works fine for me but I did change everything to look like XP and also shut off all the icky-poo-poo stuff. Most all the third party stuff works (luminance, ball, blue, Mike Crash, levels, Ulimate S, deshaker( some changes necessary), frameserver, Quicktime, Cineform Neo (will sometimes not open properly but after two or three tries will work ok with ADVC 300), Cinescore, Forge, Acid, CDA also work ok.
JJK
Jay Gladwell wrote on 5/19/2008, 5:46 AM

LOL --

James, I sure do wish you'd stop showing off your technical prowess by using those highly technical terms like " icky-poo-poo stuff."


JJKizak wrote on 5/19/2008, 5:52 AM
Jay:
Thanks for the laugh.
JJK
warriorking wrote on 5/19/2008, 6:07 AM
V8 with Vista 64Bit Ultimate, no problems on my end as well...Going to go to 8Gig as soon as it arrives, price for RAM is so cheap, got 8Gig of DDR2 PC800 for $170.00.....
Laurence wrote on 5/19/2008, 7:12 AM
Another happy Vista 64 user here.
rmack350 wrote on 5/19/2008, 7:46 AM
Blink said: "DOTnet3 is already included in Vista.

If you buy the full version of Ultimate, both the 32 and 64 disk are included. In the home version I believe you get the 32 disk and have to write for the 64 disk."

Yes, I'm not sure what it was that needed to be installed manually. Anything? Or was that settled when VP8 was released with Vista support?

I think when you buy an OEM computer you don't necessarily get bot versions of Vista, which is why I suggested checking that. Some manufacturers will send you a disk if you ask.

Rob Mack
dannyoneill wrote on 5/19/2008, 9:05 AM
64bit vista with Vegas 8 also and its great. I have had no problems with 64bit drivers but you deffinatly need new kit. If you want 64bit on something older you will have driver problems.

If its dell then it only comes with 32bit vista, however your licence key will install 64bit. You just need the media which is available freely if you look hard enough (officialy from MS as well). You then install and use your licence key. Its not a trick but how Vista is licenced. You pay for the licence, not the version.

There is also a tutorial on how to backup your activation to save time once its rebuilt. My PC came with vista 32. I borrowed a Vista 64 disk from a friend and used my key. Bingo, 64bit Vista home premium.
xberk wrote on 5/19/2008, 10:57 AM
Ya know. I do have one issue with Vegas and 64 bit Vista. Taskbar.

>>When a window is active (its taskbar button appears pressed down), clicking its taskbar button minimizes the window. To restore a minimized window (make it show up again on the desktop), click its taskbar button<<

Do any other 64 bit Vista users have this problem?
When Vegas is minimized on the taskbar, it’s button appears up (not pressed down). When I click it (press it down), sometimes it will not restore. It sticks. The button changes to the pressed down state as if it was restored – but it does not restore. Stuck! .. When I click away from it on the desktop, the button changes to the up state or not pressed down. So I click the button again, it presses down but does not restore. It sticks. If I mouse over the button in the up state (not pressed down) and wait to see the little image of the window and the title above that – sometimes – SOMETIMES – it does restore. If I use task manager, it always restores from there. I don’t have this problem at all on my laptop which runs Vista 32 bit and Vegas. What’s up with this?

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

blink3times wrote on 5/19/2008, 12:36 PM
"Do any other 64 bit Vista users have this problem?"

No. Mine operates quite normally. I do however seem to have a "window memory" problem. Vista sometimes does not remember which view you used when you last closed the window. You'll close the window with "medium icons" showing and (what seems to be randomly) you will open it sometime later and the window will appear in "list" form.

This problem seems quite common... do a google and there are LOTS of others complaining of the same thing.
DonLandis wrote on 5/19/2008, 4:09 PM
Thanks everyone for your positive comments.

I plan to get the Vista Ultimate 64 installed by Dell. It was one of the options in that system build.

As long as Vegas 8d works for now I should be OK until the 64 bit version comes out.

The system only options 4Gb of ram so I will be calling them to see if it will also be available with 8 Gb. Seems most of you all are running with 8.

I'm still not clear on the applications that are not 64 bit and compatibility. Will the 32 bit applications like older windows XP version of Photoshop run OK on Vista 64? How about windows 16 bit applications?

Another software pack I want to load on this system is the Adobe Production suite with Ultra II. I use this quite a bit in my work now and will need to continue using it in the HD work.
GaryAshorn wrote on 5/19/2008, 6:44 PM
Don, Howdy from Texas and how you been? Long time no talk. We need to catch up. So you seem to be moving where I am going to try and go this summer. Now that BMD is operating with full control for my existing system and can move onto newer, I am looking to upgrade my Vegas computer with the new card. Still running a P4 2.4 similar to you. So I am interested in the model build you are looking at. I have been looking at the Cyberpower build and IBUY etc units to custom build. I have been holding off also because of Vista versus XP etc. So seems we are getting there now. I am rebuilding the studio and the company all over again. And yes I am still doing the EE gig. Drop me a line

Gary
blink3times wrote on 5/19/2008, 6:48 PM
I'm running most of my old xp apps in Vista 64. Photoshop, Adobe Audition2, pinnacle studio, Ulead movie factory, Nero, Vegas 7, Star burn, HDV split...etc.

There are only a few programs that won't run... Ulead Media Studio Pro 8, Avid Liquid 7, and none of my older firewalls... but these have more to do with Vista itself and not necessarily the 64/32 bit arena
DonLandis wrote on 5/19/2008, 11:08 PM
Thanks, Blink for the experience on older windows apps. I have a few as most people do and switching to such a radical upgrade makes me nervous. The good thing is I have quite a few successfully running and reliable machines that I won't be dumping anytine soon that can continue to operate my core bread and butter.

Hi Gary- Good to hear from you again. Been doing well as a bionic man these days. Guess you heard of my experience from David last year.
I still have 3 main systems( one pentium 3.8 Ghz, and 2 Core 2 duo, 2.66 Ghz running Vegas 6.0 and 2 now upgraded to Vegas 8b.
I recently bought a Sony SR12 camcorder ( AVCHD) mostly for personal use but as of last week shot 4 TV shows with this as a 4th camera for an additioan angle. I am downconverting it to SD avi with Vasst Gearshift which works nice. I still produce all my TV shows in SD and deliver in beta SP so all this new HD stuff is to prepare for the day that I will be getting assigned HD work. The SR12 seems to compliment my Z1U nicely but I still have the 4 big format cameras with DVCAM backs. So that should bring you up to date.

One dilemma I am kicking around now is the price point of the new PC. I can afford a lower cost HP now that uses a Q9300 processor for about $1700 with bluRay drive and the bite won't be so much. The Dell I have been pricing is 4.5 times as much and not much faster. The kicker is that I could buy 3 of the hp's and network render stuff or upgrade all my systems for the price of that one Dell. I do need at least two workstation systems as I have a part time editor here now.

So, it seems the confidence level of everyone posting here is high on Vista Ultimate 64. What a difference from last year! I'm very happy to hear that. It seems I just now need to ponder over the price of the Dell vs a lessor system in HP. Of course if I add a second BluRay burner and swap out the ram for 8Gb vs the stock 4, the cost will be higher but not as much as the Dell.
JJKizak wrote on 5/20/2008, 5:38 AM
I had trouble with Nero in Vista 64 but cured it by not installing the two main GUI garbage stuff they have. Everything appeared OK in the programs menu so I just remoted the icons to the desktop. Everything was solid then especially if you use Nero as your "preview to render" monitor.
JJK
John_Cline wrote on 5/20/2008, 3:40 PM
"It works fine for me but I did change everything to look like XP and also shut off all the icky-poo-poo stuff."

I believe that "icky-poo-poo" is a Mac term.
GaryAshorn wrote on 5/20/2008, 7:00 PM
Don, no I don't think I remember David telling me anything. Maybe I missed it over on our FAST bar and grill talks. Send me an update and how you are. On the computer selection I know what you mean. I have been looking at the HP, Gateway and Acer units with Q6600 and 3 gig etc units. But I need a MB that can support having the minimum 8600 card, BMD card and maybe a slot for a good audio interface card for a MOTU but I can do it with USB outboard just as well. So the MB selection is one of my issues. So I have looked at the Cyberpower and other sites for build your own configs to get the things I want.

If I think it want to I could reuse my old Black Beauty that VM/Plus is in and build it there but hate to tear it down. Not sure why if I am going to go with a Vegas and BMD deck controller system. All I give up is tape to tape insert editing.

The other thing I have waited on is using Vista. But it seems now I really should as you have seen now going with Vista 64 system. This computer will be a dedicated Vegas editing machine. I will reload other items to my system I have now and tie them back together.

The other thing I would like to talk to you about is your camera selection and things. Another thread maybe. But I still run all the old dogs on my decks to match to anyone that has anything. Like you I have to match to all the past but want to move on to the future editing as well. This is good stuff here, and thanks to everyone.

Gary Ashorn