VISTA VS XP PRO

studioLord wrote on 2/17/2009, 6:36 PM
I am trying to decide on which OS to put into my new computer. I have had several people say that Vista isn't working well with MSPlatinm Pro Pak, which is what I am upgrading to with the new system. Anybody have 'reliable' input on this one?
Secondly: How much difference is there between a dual core 2.66 and a qaud core with about the same speed processor?

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Markk655 wrote on 2/17/2009, 6:46 PM
Working with VMS9PP on a dual core 2.66 GHz Vista 32 without issue. My main footage is 1440x1080 AVCHD files. I have yet to have any significant issues with VMSPP, although rendering would probably be much faster on a quad. Buy what you can afford. Either one will work. If you are using AVCHD routinely, opt for the quad.
studioLord wrote on 2/17/2009, 6:57 PM
Alright! great input in no time at all!
Do you have a suggestion as to which quad?
Editguy43 wrote on 2/17/2009, 10:01 PM
If you have the money go for the Core i7 it is a smokin chip. quad core but with hyperthreading it thinks its an 8 core and the way that the cores are wired,and the use of DDR 3 memory you cant go wrong. A friend of mine that had a 2.4 dual core would rip a dvd movie and it would take almost an hour with his new core i7 it takes 12-20 minutes. and his is the 920 (2.66)

I have a q6600 quad (2.4) vista 64 4 gig ram 2.4 Terabytes of HD and my maching is plenty fast but I cant wait to build a new Core i7

my 2 cents. also I am running 8.0c and 8.1 and both are stable sofar.
studioLord wrote on 2/18/2009, 4:14 PM
Here's what I am looking at from a local builder. Keeping in mind my budget is $800 total

2.8 Intel Pent D/ 631 intel chipset socket 775, 1600 FSB board/ DVD dual layer burner/ GForce 8600 (512 Ram)/ 250G HD w XP Pro OS/ 2 17" monitors/ TV card/ 4G Ram DDR / and the install of my 2 320G HD's that have all my files on from the older computer.

Price $870 (plus tax)

Did I do good?

Do you know anything about the Intel Pentium D processor? Will that do for my simple needs for now? And can I change it out for something newer/ better at a later date?

Thanks for any help on this. I HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT.
Editguy43 wrote on 2/18/2009, 5:52 PM
The Pentium D is way old back before the Core 2 Duo chips and if I am not mistaken the new chops will not work on that motherboard (could be wrong though) 4 gigs ram two much unless you are running Vista 64 or XP 64 save yourself on memory and just put 2 gig. you might check dell for a price go through the build center on the website you might be suprised on how much you can get.
Also does your builder say that the pentium D is NEW technology if he does than he may not me to trustworthy. ( Just a thought)
Markk655 wrote on 2/18/2009, 6:20 PM
No. You should be able to get an actual Intel based dual core PC (Pentium D is not) in your price range these days. Look at Dell and HP. You can even get a Core2Quad for <$800.

You can use this site as a guide for cpu performance...

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2008-q1-2008/Mainconcept-H-264-Encoder,380.html
studioLord wrote on 2/18/2009, 11:30 PM
Markk655.. what do you know about a
ATI Radeon HD3650 1GB PCIe (2 DVI)

I am looking at the BTO981221 Tiger Direct Special with that card instead of the Gforce they list.
Any recommendations?
studioLord wrote on 2/18/2009, 11:32 PM
Here is the list I worked out so far....

Keyboards / Mice / Input: No Keyboard Selected
Keyboards / Mice / Input: No Mouse Selected
Monitors: No Monitor Selected
Removable Data Storage: No Floppy Drive Selected
Accessories: 1 Year Parts & Labor Warranty
Components: Integrated Firewire Port
Removable Data Storage: 9-in-1 Card Reader Black
Hard Drive: 250GB 7200RPM 3G SATA II Hard Drive
Components: Integrated High-Def Audio
Wireless Networking: No Expansion Card Selected
Processors: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz 6M 1333MHz Processor
Power Supplies: 500 Watt Power Supply
Video / Graphics Cards: ATI Radeon HD3650 1GB PCIe (2 DVI)
Accessories: Non-Brand mATX PC Branding Pack
Software: Microsoft Windows XP Pro System Builder Edition
Memory: 4GB DDR2 PC6400 800MHz Dual Channel (1GB x 4)
Networking: Integrated Intel 82567LM Gigabit LAN with AMT 5.0
Motherboards: Intel DQ45CB mATX Motherboard
Accessories: Micro ATX Chassis Base
CD/DVD Drives: Two 20X DVDRW SATA Drives
Accessories: DQ45CB No O/S Workstation


I will put my two 320G HDs in it once it arrives
Markk655 wrote on 2/19/2009, 5:04 AM
My understanding is that SVMS doesn't really use the processing power of the GPU (Video card). If you go with a Pentium D both the GeForce 8600 and HD3650 are overkill. Spend more on the processor and less on the video card for SVMS. At least that would be my opinion.
Editguy43 wrote on 2/19/2009, 11:26 AM
I agree with Markk655 about the video card in no way do you need a 1gig card unless you plan on playing some big games ( and i would recomend that you not play games on a edit maching.) but as for the other components they look good.
What price did all this come in at if you dont mind my asking.

Also if this is dell you are looking at they have the Sony creative package (not sure of the real name) but it comes with all the studio products if you dont have them already.

Edit: Do you have Vista service pack 1 installed if not try that before giving up on it the service pack has fixed many problems and sped up the system. I use Vegas Pro 8 on my Vista 64 edit computer with 4 gig of ram and so far no problems.
studioLord wrote on 2/23/2009, 10:50 PM
The price was $699.... I have changed the config several times as I await the help of my tech on deciding exactly what tyo go with... In the meantime my editing machine bit the dust.... motherboard and OS drive fried.... I mourn the loss of this workhorse, but relicsh the idea of the new arrival...

If you get this post, I really appreciate all of the comments toward helping me get outfitted properly. This is quite an eye opening experience...
John
michaelt wrote on 2/24/2009, 11:29 AM
So far this post has had nothing to do with its title: VISTA VS XP PRO.

4G RAM, 1G video card, 1600 FSB, and if you have money - go for 8 cores and DDR3!

All these resources to be managed by such a garbage like Vista...

Does DELL still allow to choose XP?
studioLord wrote on 2/24/2009, 1:00 PM
No Dell has stopped offerring XP. I asked for it specifically and the guy in the Phillipines said..."no"

michaelt wrote on 2/24/2009, 2:51 PM
That's interesting...

There have been too many complaints about VMS 9 crashes despite the most latest processor, huge RAM and what else have you... One thing they all seem to have in common - Microsoft Windows Vista.

Well, maybe try to save money by declining Vista, and install XP yourself from the CD that came with your previous computer.

Just make sure you get drivers for ALL your hardware, most important is the CD that is supplied with the motherboard.

And the last thing - make sure you don't overbuild the system. For example, if Windows XP works only with 32-bit processors, then don't invest in 64x.

I am pretty positive there is little for you to lose by staying with the stable XP than with the newer full of bugs Vista.