Voice over recording

Joseph69 wrote on 8/30/2003, 4:37 PM
I am trying to make some educational movies where I need to ad commentary over a video event in the timeline.

I have had to do it by speaking into my camera & capturing my voice as a video file.

I use the record feature in the arm for record button on an audio trac & I see the green equalizer bar active but if I spek into the Microphone on my PC, niothing appears in the time line

Can some one please explain how to do it, including how & where to create the file that contains the recorded voice??

Thanks

Comments

mark2929 wrote on 8/30/2003, 4:45 PM
Have you pressed the record button on the tracks below it as well as the arm for record ?
Joseph69 wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:02 PM
No I didnt, but I just did now, & it recorded these wave files, so thanks, thats a start............ but they seem to contain no voice at all...[ I put them on the time line, & there is no sound, but they obviously were the correct duration..............
I tried it with an external microphone, & also the inbuilt PC Microphone.......still no sound..................

May be I have to configure the PC in some way but I dont know how
Joseph69 wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:08 PM
I did it again, using the external microphone which is part of a head set, & this time I shouted really loud, & it did RECORD, but you can hardly hear it............

it would be much more convenient if I can direct record wave files rather than recording them first as video on my camera

INFMAN wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:11 PM
My method of adding words to the time line is get it on cd so that you can capture it from the cd..this will be a superior quality than if you use the camera to capture your voice. or just import the sound as a wave.
mark2929 wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:14 PM
Obviously I dont know your computer setup but I would imagine go to control panel then sounds and audio devices then have a look in the voice and audio panels the problem could lay in that area but if you change settings you may have to restart vegas.
Hope this helps.
Joseph69 wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:19 PM
Thanks Mark

Thanks INFMAN
regarding recoring onto a CD, how do you do it?
MJhig wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:19 PM
Let's start from scratch with the fewest variables.

Using a mic plugged into the mic input on your soundcard.

Double-click the speaker icon in the system tray > Options > Properties > Recording > OK, select the mic channel and leave the Windows recording mixer applet open.

Launch Vegas > Options > Preferences > Audio Device tab, select Windows Classic Wave Driver or if you have a pro card AISO > Apply > OK.

Insert an Audio track > Click the Record button in the track header.

Speak into the mic and view the meter in Vegas' track header while adjusting the fader in the Windows mixer's mic channel trying to get as close to 0 dB in the track header meter WITHOUT going over speaking normally and keeping track of the distance between your mouth and the mic.

Hint: Right-click on the track header meter and set the resolution to 24 - 0 dB or less.

When you are happy with these settings click Record in the Transport bar and have at it.

MJ
mark2929 wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:22 PM
Joseph couldent you just use the camera to record sound as your watching the film in vegas then capture it and delete the picture part and move the sound under your film to where you want ?
INFMAN wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:32 PM
mark has a point on this one...

as far as recording on cd it involves an external machine or recorder...Ill sample my voice on a sampler and save it to zipdisk or burn it to cd then import it into vegas...but what mark2929 suggested is far easier than what im suggesting..even tho the quality will be compromised on the cameras mic
mark2929 wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:32 PM
mjig's is the way to go first though and perhaps see what gives better sound recording after
Joseph69 wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:45 PM
Thanks friends so far

I think I am getting there, I adjusted the recording volume in the Control panel,

I think the sound quality I get recording into the head set is inferior than recording into my JVC camera

Joseph69 wrote on 8/30/2003, 5:57 PM
Thanks for your efforts MJ

In my control Panel there is an icon called System but inside it there is no icon of a speaker, or button for Options
Joseph69 wrote on 8/30/2003, 6:03 PM
Mark, I can & so far it is the best, but the problem is that I have to synchronise & pace my voice with scenes which change rapidly, for example: babys face, babys chest, bab's breathing slows down, alternating scenes & descriptions of sick babies & normal babies so the narration has to be right on a pivotal action....to get this perfectly right is so difficult, & time consuming from a camera






MJhig wrote on 8/30/2003, 6:08 PM
System Tray = the lower right depressed area of your taskbar. If you do not show a speaker icon there (hover and the tooltip should say "Volume") you need to go to Control Panel > Sounds (XP) and check the "display icon in taskbar" or similar, in 98/ME, Control Panel > Multimedia > Audio tab.

Edit:

If after following my directions and with out a doubt seeing the level in Vegas' recording meter getting very close to 0 dB using the mic connected to the soundcard obtaining poor sound quality then your mic is really horrid. Most headset mics are so this is a strong possibility.

If you intend to do any voice-over in the future I'd strongly suggest you get at the very least one of the best mics offered by Radio Shack you can these days or better. If you will be doing this professionally, consider a pre-amp or external mixer and at least a low end pro mic.

I have $30 Radio Shack (33-1071) high impedance mics that are far superior to any onboard camcorder mic I've ever heard.

MJ
Begbie wrote on 8/30/2003, 6:33 PM
Your PC style headset mikes are usualy useless for recording anything half decent.

either use the cam to record, use VirtualDub to split the audio from the video (maybe vegas is easier for this) then clean up your audio in sound forge, then use in your project.

Otherwise, buy a half good mike, connect to your sound card and configure carefully, use directly in Vegas
farss wrote on 8/30/2003, 10:16 PM
I've tried doing this and I'll admit it's a pain.
Also you've got teh noise of the PCs fans etc to deal with.
I ended up using my laptop to play back the video and recorded into another track on it or my camera.

You will get some latency issues but that's easy to fix by sliding the new audio track.

The other big problem I struck was stumbling, writing a script to read helps there and then I got each section of video I wanted voice overs for to loop with a few seconds of space at the beginning. Then I'd just say "Take 1", "Take 2" etc. Once I'd got it back into VV just select the good takes.

But I've just finished working on a project where I had to dub back in original voice overs. These had been recorded in a studio with lots of magic doen to teh sound and with a pro speaking. It is amazing how it punches through even though on the meters it looks way down in level (I'd set track gain to -9).
BillyBoy wrote on 8/30/2003, 10:34 PM
Try this solution for simpler voice overs. No need to rent expensive studio space and no real need for any super expensive mike. Get a decent highly directional one. I use a Telex M-60 (about $30) it has a long profile, about a foot and that design blocks out even my somewhat noisy PC, (lots of fans) and doesn't pick up a bit of it in spite of it being just a few feet from the PC.

This a a powered mike (takes a couple AAA cells) and the gain is super. You'll have to adjust in Control Panel or with your sound card's control pannel to set it up so it works properly, but once you do, it works really very well. You don't have to hunt for the model I got, you can find it in bigger electronics stores probably, but DO get a mike that's highly directional. And don't forget to aim it in the right direction. <wink>
farss wrote on 8/30/2003, 10:51 PM
BB,
good suggestion, particularly the bit about aiming the thing.

Surprising how many people overlook that small detail with shotgun mikes.

And then a few weeks ago I had someone who wanted to use the stereo mike off his XL1 on a boom pole, would have made for some intersting stereo sound.
Joseph69 wrote on 8/30/2003, 10:52 PM
yEP i THink you are right about the medium quality uni directional mike
thanks