Me too, I was just about to push the button on the Edit upgrade and then read about Stream. Well, read the bullet points. Now trying to find more info and how it will compare to OBS for example.

Some more info here: VEGAS Stream (vegascreativesoftware.com)

Also trying to find out:

• Can it be controlled externally ie. Touch Portal
• Is there facility for multiple Audio Inputs
• Will it accept ASIO Audio inputs
• Will it accept Browser Sources as inputs

This is a rushed post. Will be more detailed later on.

Well I have done the purchase of Pro. I'll post back with some info.

Ok first issue: Cannot see any way to get 4K Support. That is an immediate show-stopper for me. Should have known better and got the trial version instead. Aw well. That'll teach me eh.

What do you mean exactly?

I personally won't be streaming anything in 4K. 1080 max. But I would like to know what USB devices it supports.

Phil_P, what do you mean you are not seeing any way to get 4K Support?.... Support goes up to 8K !

Plus why streaming at 4K, that's overkill.... As Reyfox mentions 1080 max is absolutely perfect.

@Steve_Rhoden, I've got my A1 attached and do not see an option for 8K. Not that I'm going to be using that, but still.

Also, @Phil_P, I only see up to 1080P option as well on a 4K monitor.

Regarding the missing 4k support I think Phil_P means VEGAS Stream not VEGAS Pro. VEGAS Stream is meant to support HD up to 1920x1080 and that's what the VCS website says about it.

Yes this thread is about Vegas Stream hence the title VP19 Vegas Stream

I run 7 different YT channels, 1 of them has 0.75m subscribers 1 has .5 the others are mostly up and coming but doing very well thank you. So I don't need advice on whether or not to stream in 4K thanks.

Also, many of my content producers will record 4K video as a pseudo live stream (in other words not actually streaming) and then we make edits and publish as regular video.

Reyfox, it did recognise all my various USB input devices (some are generic) with no issues but suggest you get the trial and give it a quick test. There's no ASIO support but that is expected, even OBS does this with a plugin. There's no browser source support so things like stream elements cannot be used.
 

@Phil_P thanks for the USB info. It would be nice to give a "supported USB hardware" list though. And yes, I downloaded the trial to test at home. I'll have to bring the Atem Mini (max 1080 res) and hook it up to see if it would work. If not, VP19 Edit then.... our church needs are VERY modest, but if I can up the visuals, it would be nice.

What hardware are you using to stream live?

Hi Reyfox, From my studio I stream direct from the PC. OBS (with various plugins), Using ASIO playback (for DAW audio), Rode WGII, Sony ZV1 and GoPro via HDMI, using generic HDMI capture, (work great). Even at 4K the machine handles it fine but this is not "gaming", so not too stressful and I only run at 25fps as fps is not an issue here. Also we have an Atem Mini Extreme ISO which handles higher res stuff. But I didn't test the Atem with Vegas Stream as that is in another location.
 

I have now refunded the Pro Upgrade and gone back to the Edit Upgrade instead, as I really will not have any use for Vegas Stream. No offence intended to anyone of course as I am sure Vegas Stream will get there in the end and when it does it will be killer. And I am sure it will be very useful for many other users too. But there are just so many things that can be done in OBS, especially with plugins for ASIO, auto scene switching, lower thirds, browser sources etc. Direct connection and control with Touch Portal is also a big plus. Means you can control everything from a tablet, and even design buttons with programming logic etc.

The graphics side of Stream looked great and may well be suitable for you. You really should try the Atem with the trial and give it a go. :-)

Thanks @Phil_P for your above post. Our church here in Poland streams to FB, and we all know the FB limitations (1080P, 4Mbps upload, etc..). Also, our internet connection is 1 step above dialup (sarcasm). At home, we have fiber optic fast internet. We are considering "over the air" internet services since 2Mbps is the max upload speed of our hardwired DSL. You see the limitations we face. Using the Mini (non Pro/ISO/etc) fits our modest needs (2-3 cameras). So does OBS. Also training non tech savy people is challenging. They finally understand the basics of OBS, but nothing fancy.

But "me" being always on the lookout to overload my already maxed workload, am always looking to upgrade our "look". So before taking the plunge I ask questions. I have little time to "waste" on a dead end. Also, we would need to stream the text from another laptop on the network with OpenLP, to Stream. If it can't do that, well... you get the picture.... it will definitely be Edit for me. What are your computer specs if you don't mind me asking?

Again, thanks for your insights.

@Reyfox yes totally understand. This is why the usual "Get the trial and see" answer rarely works for me too. I had to suggest it though, in this case it should be very fast for you to check it. Maybe someone else here with an Atem will be able to answer. I must admit I would be very surprised if the Atem won't work, especially as Stream did pick up my generic USB HDMI adapters. :-)

As for my machine, I am about to build a new i9 system as my DAW is starting to put pressure on my current rig. My current rig is an older i7 with 64GB RAM and a lowly nVidia 1080, 4K res 55" monitor. (Oh and all 6 drives internal and external are SSD).

I have never had any issues streaming directly (even at 4K but I only record at 25fps) and running reasonable DAW project. But where it really shows its age now is when running really heavy DAW projects (like 150+ tracks of orchestral work for example). And of course when editing full 4K 60fps in Vegas. Thank goodness for Happy Otter Proxies! :-)

One thing here (I am in Dubai, UAE) is that although the internet is very expensive, the speeds are very good including on upload. For example I am paying for 250 Mbps but actually getting 520 Mbps download and 150Mbps upload.

I hope that helps.

Yes this thread is about Vegas Stream hence the title VP19 Vegas Stream

I run 7 different YT channels, 1 of them has 0.75m subscribers 1 has .5 the others are mostly up and coming but doing very well thank you. So I don't need advice on whether or not to stream in 4K thanks.

The downside to 4K streaming is the latency, typically 30 seconds, but depends on the format of the stream, for a streamer replying to a chat it's terrible

@Phil_P, honestly the best place to get answers about Stream would be at support @ newblueinc.com where the NewBlue support team can answer your questions.

@Former user Hi there. No real issues with chat latency here. Averaging 3-5 seconds which is fine for our needs.
But as mentioned, none of us do gaming streams and all the subscribers that actually chat are pretty mature guys and girls who never require instant replies. Many of our subscribers insist on 4K and are very happy on all channels. Plus, as mentioned, sometimes the content makers will record a pseudo stream, including dropping in 4K scenery footage and then edit it afterwards. It helps the with the natural flow and many of them find it easier to work this way. I know there is a lot of talk about "why you should not stream at 4K" etc. but to be honest, we are not stupid, we have done our research and this is how we work and it works very well for us. Thanks for the comments though. Appreciated.

@jetdv It is not me looking for answers now but that may be helpful for @Reyfox who started the thread. So thank you for that. Having said that, I don't think there is any harm in having a discussion here eh.
 

Cheers all, P.

 

Having said that, I don't think there is any harm in having a discussion here eh.

@Phil_P, absolutely no harm in having discussions here. Just for specific detailed questions, support will be they place to ask as they have the answers.

@Former user Hi there. No real issues with chat latency here. Averaging 3-5 seconds which is fine for our needs.

Streaming to YouTube at 4K latency averages at 30-40 seconds, you might be streaming to Twitch, but the problem with Twitch is their Hard cap on upload data of 8mbit/s which makes 4K not possible in most cases. You can stream at 70mbit/s to YouTube but the time it takes to trans-code 4K is much slower then 1080P which causes the excessive lag making it less useful for real time chat with a community. That's the negative to 4K streaming and it's a big one and why it's mostly not used

Something like EarthCam is fine at 4K (current latency 43 seconds) because there's no interaction with viewers

Yes this thread is about Vegas Stream hence the title VP19 Vegas Stream

I run 7 different YT channels, 1 of them has 0.75m subscribers 1 has .5 the others are mostly up and coming but doing very well thank you. So I don't need advice on whether or not to stream in 4K thanks.

 

The downside to 4K streaming is the latency, typically 30 seconds, but depends on the format of the stream, for a streamer replying to a chat it's terrible

I think that you need an h.264 hardware encoder to stream 4K successfully

Something like this

https://www.videomaker.com/news/blackmagic-design-unveils-its-new-web-presenter-4k-model/?utm_content=175009660&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-39881894777

Thank you all for your great replies.

Final comment from me, of course you guys can jump in and have the last word afterwards, no worries. We are successfully streaming at 4K with 3-5 seconds chat latency, no issues and with a total of more than 1.2m subs, (admittedly not all on the same channel), I am more than happy with that. So I say again, no further advise required thanks. There is no h.264 encoder required at all for what we do.

Back to the other point of why 4K ability would be useful, even for those who think it is against the rules of the internet to actually stream live at 4K. As mentioned a few times above, many content creators like to record a pseudo stream and edit afterwards. There is a record facility in Vegas Stream you may have noticed which also does not support 4K. The multi-record feature (having all sources recorded separately) would be extremely useful, if not for that. OBS can only do this with audio sources (without plugins). Vegas Stream does it with both audio and video out of the box, which is potentially great.

Right that's it from me on this one. Peace out. 😀

think that you need an h.264 hardware encoder to stream 4K successfully

People who do it professionally mostly use the external encoders so they must have advantages but the NVENC encoder works fine, Strreamlabs running into the NVENC encoder at 4K60 uses less than 1% cpu, small amount of GPU processing and 75% of GPU encoder