I can see how you would be disappointed that features in the previous version are missing from the current version.

I for one appreciate you stating your general love for Vegas and exactly why this version so far disappoints.

Kudos on your constructive criticism.

> I am so disappointed that Vegas does not support Cineform files. Blame it on Cineform but surely they would have known by checking out the forums that many of use use the codec.

Well... it still supports Cineform, it just doesn't ship the Cineform codec any more. That's more of a license / packaging issue rather than Cineform's fault. I have Cineform Neo Scene and it works perfectly well with Vegas Pro 9.0 32-bit. If you have a dependency on Cineform you should really buy Neo Scene. It's very reasonably priced.

~jr

> Why can't I run my old dos programs in vista?

Because you don't have DOSBox! This works quite well btw and it's free. ;-)

~jr

Yes, Cineform's NEO Scene works quite well, plus there is the added bonus that, unlike the version that shipped with Vegas, you can work with Cineform files in any VFW-compatible video program, like Virtual Dub or After Effects..

Sure Neo Scene works, but preview in Vegas 9.0 is VERY poor compared to 8.0c. My 1920x1080 30p clips preview at about 20fps on my system in 8.0c and less than half that (about 9 fps) in 9.0 None of the suggestions to change the Preview yield acceptable results.

Of course, I don't really consider the 20 fps I get in 8.0c acceptable either. I have recently been using the Proxy Stream script to convert my files to Sony mxf. The mxf files yield great results (29.970 fps preview with room to spare for some FX) in both 9.0 and 8.0c.

Its unfortunate that the Neo Scene converted Cineform files don't preview better since I really prefer that workflow (not only do you get the 4:2:2 color space, but the conversion is significantly faster than using Proxy Stream to render the mxf files).

I have heard some hints that 9.0a coupled with some Cineform changes will address these issues. So although I have some acceptable workarounds. I too am waiting...

Rich

Your missing the point Blink. Its these comments that insult my intelligence that really annoy the crap out of me. I don't comment because of this kind of time wasting replies. Fact is, these items were supported and for what ever reason, politics, or whatever, they are gone and we were given no indication that they would not be supported. Sarcasm is useless to forward movement.

Thanks JR, I will look into that.

Hulk, I do love Vegas and teach a lot of TV Station editors that are now out of business how to use the software in my area. I appreciate your comments. These are simple fix. We also develop software and try not to overlook what are users are using the applications for and what other dependencies they have grown accustomed to. I know its a matter of fact that it wont be long before this is sorted out.

Thanks for the Tums reberclark. I still got 8c and it still kicks butt. I am just aching to use some of the new features of 9.

"Your missing the point Blink. "

Not missing any point at all. In fact I have clearly demonstrated that times, functions, and features come and go with new versions of anything.... it's not unique to Vegas. Did firefox tell anybody that they would not be supporting certain plugins in version 3? No.

SCS has done nothing different here that other software companies have done.

As I have pointed out before, when Microsoft comes out with a new windows version.... they don't write code for the third party hardware.... that's up to the third party vendor. Again.... SCS has done nothing different here. BM needs to get up to speed here as well as does Cineform. Other third party suppliers like Excalibur... New Blue... Ultimate S, etc did their thing and issued updates immediately. Now it's cineform's and BM's turn. Don't shoot the wrong people for the feet dragging. Vegas 8.1 has been out for quite a while now.... what the heck has Cineform been doing all this time????

No Tmack, I have not missed any point.... but i think you have.

Blink,
I read what you said and understood what you were saying.
Actually, your point was a good one. Acceptable in many situations. But this one I am a bit dissappointed.

My disappointment remains that in the new version of Vegas, hardware and software that used to work no longer does. How am I going to go back to older files that are cineform files to make changes to older projects? Thats part of the frustration. The other part is that I am dying to use 9.

[i]"...and features come and go with new versions of anything"[i]

Understand what you are saying. No I am not missing the point. I am making one. I am not even missing your point. I am not too happy with Black Magic and Cineform at this point. It ultimately was up to them to get their act together to work with upgrades for Sony as you point out. But something is different ... the stuff that used to work doesn't anymore. Microsoft changed in Vista so XP drivers dont work... thats part of Microsofts responsibility. By the way, I don't use Vista for that reason. Same with not using 9 right now. I personally dont think that just because other companies do it, it makes it right. Too bad companies don't learn to be better.

I was expressing my disappointment that popular features are no supported in an UPGRADE. Especially things that have been attached to the software and many peoples work flow in the past.

As I said, I am waiting, waiting for Cineform and waiting for Black Magic and Vegas. Oh ya, I get the same "out of memory issues" that others have expressed to in Vegas (Maybe that is because of using Cineform files???) .... so I wait till these get resolved until I put 9 in my production line and retire 8. If these changes don't happen, I may decide to retire Black Magic or Cineform (if I dont follow the above suggestion). I will not retire Vegas as our main NLE. So no point is missing on either side. Just making a comment. I have faith in Sony. I have all Sony cameras, as well. So no slamming Sony here and understand what your saying Blink. Thanks for your time in your post.

"But this one I am a bit dissappointed."


I hear ya... I'm not a TOTAL cow :)

I think though with any new version of anything there are bound to be not only some ups... but some downs too. It's always a pain in the ass to figure out a new workflow after a new version release screws up the one that your so fond of.

But just as the release of version 7... version 8.... etc, there are always some growing pains that you and the program go through.... and this is nothing different. Usually in the end though when all has been refined it almost always ends up better than it was before.

Ahhh.... but then comes version 10..... and it aaaaall starts again.

Please don't say 10!

One of my goals in posting this was to see if someone who was more up to date than I was on the forums would know if BM (How fitting those initials are right not) or CF was releasing something I wasnt aware of. Any news I hope someone posts.

Agree on the ups and downs. Honestly though I have never had an issue with a Vegas upgrade... until now. And I know this is temporary.

Please keep posting any news and updates on BM and CF if anyone hears of them.

Cheers to all.

UPDATE:

This is fun.... Responses to my inquiries...

Cineform: You can roll back to version 8.1 or wait for the next update of vegas and neo hd which will add 64-bit and vegas support to our codec. Not sure exactly when that will be, so i would roll back to 8.1 if i were you.

DUH.... that is what I have done and said so in my comments.... Moving on to Black Magic.... They blame Sony...

Black Magic: Thank you for contacting us. There are Beta drivers for Vegas 8A and 8B.
Don't know if Sony is currently working on updating their software? Once
they add support for our hardware then you will be able to use our hardware,
but nothing that we know of currently from Sony.

I know the Truth is Out there.. but for now... waiting ....

From Cineform

RE: upcoming version for vegas...

Yes we will work in all 32 bit versions of vegas...including version 9.0.

Now if I can get my Black Magic Cards working.

Anyone have a HDMI in and out solution for vegas for capture and preview? Maybe its time to say goodbye to Black Magic.

Black Magic Intensity Cards Can work in Vegas 9

As someone put in a post in this forum,

Copy BMDDecklinkVideoProperties.dll to Vegas Pro 9.0 directory
Copy DeckLinkVegas.dll to Vegas Pro 9.0\Video Hardware Drivers directory

Sheesh. If it was that simple, why doesn't Black Magic tell people this instead of blaming Sony... and for that matter, why wasn't the dll's installed. I for one think that they should be playing a little nicer together for the benefit of us all.

As for Cineform, looks like a new version is out. Haven't tried the new version of CF but will real soon. Hope this helps others.

Thanks for the info tmack! I have put off the purchase of a BM card thinking they were no longer compatible with recent upgrades of Vegas.

Michael M

Actually, thanks to another poster. Wish I could remember who posted it but that saved sanity and my investment. I have 2 of those BM cards. Who ever posted that fix, my personal thanks. I owe you a beer.

So I too have been waiting. So if I get the Intensity Pro card which is now $199, I can get Vegas to work with it as a capture device? I know it works for monitoring. So will Vegas use the MJPEG files of BMD now? fingers cross etc. Thanks

Gary

You can use the Black Magic capture utility and, yes, Vegas will use the Intensity MJPEG files. It's worked in v8 for over a year now.

However, in 8.1 64 bit, the drivers DO NOT show up. If I want to print to tape (BetaCamSP), I have to use 8.0c. It simply does not show up in 8.1.

And, yes, I did move the drivers into the right folders in Vegas 8.1.

Thanks for the tip anyway. Too bad I cannot get Vegas 9 Pro to work on my system AT ALL. I'd love to see if my Multibridge Pro would work with it or not. Even Sony tech support gave up on me today. We tried EVERYTHING and nothing worked. Hell, I uninstalled almost everything on my system and disabled my Multibridge drivers - absolutely nothing has worked. It just freezes on the "initializing ui" part of the startup. I am 100% frustrated.

Mike