- Track pb level metering.
- Archive veg + media to CD/DVD ROM .
- Optional multi-open effects chain windows.
- "Discard and remove from drive all unused media" button.

geoff

-- ability to have more than one effects window open at once
-- punch in/out
-- project back up
-- event reverse
-- destructive recording so I can record directly over a bad take if I choose
-- bus to bus,
-- track meters
-- ability to name new tracks in succession without having to click on each
track's name box individually. use the tab or arrow keys to go directly to
the next tracks name box.


Dave

Access to metronome changes from toolbar. (Oh, and one that maintains its tempo from session to session) and the ability to program time changes throughout song structure

Buss to buss routing
Teeny weeny midi playback and routing (like Acid)
Upgraded mixer section
Abiltiy to open two or more effects at once
View only grouped or bussed tracks (for example if you are working on drum tracks, you can click to view in your timeline only those bussed to 'drums'
A better project 'save as' that could put just your used files in their proper folder. If I have everything sorted out (especially when working with video and images) is I 'save as' they all get put into one folder.

Oh, and if the track view could be shown as a mixing board (or you could 'hide' elements of the left hand side of the track view) I would be in heaven for mixing sessions

And maybe an upgraded interface besides my Contour Shuttle Pro which is pretty cool anyway.

You can already backup/save media into a folder. Under "Save As" check the box marked "Copy and Trim Media". It just doesn't trim Non DV video very well.

How about the ability add media audio FX to clips.

" "Discard and remove from drive all unused media" button.
"

YES!!!!

The option to select the format during the Save As... "Copy and trim all media". Or at least "Retain format", rather than converting all the *.pca's I spent the time converting to into *.wav64.

The ability to slave/chase to MIDI clock. I understand SF doesn't want to go MIDI in Vegas and I downloaded the demo of Acid only to find it's MIDI functionality is severely limited also. I need Staff View as I can enter notes to create MIDI parts or tracks multitudes faster than Piano Roll views.

I have to keep Cakewalk HS 9 on my machine just for basic MIDI functionality BUT, CW's marketing ploy is to limit HS's synching capability to no SMPTE/MTC support AND it MUST be the master using MIDI clock (something they do not mention in the comparison chart, specs. or even make the distinction in the Help file as they use the same Help file as the mother app. (PA/Sonar) so to get around this one would have to purchase Sonar making Vegas a non issue after un-a$$ing the bucks for Sonar. I hate those guys! Please let me either synch to or uninstall my Twelve Tone code.

MJ

"Access to metronome changes from toolbar. (Oh, and one that maintains its tempo from session to session) and the ability to program time changes throughout song structure"

--thanks for reminding me about this one. Would have come in handy a
number of times.

Dave

HappyFriar,
You misunderstood my 'save as' request. I know you can save to a new folder but when you have various media in different folders, the 'save as' puts them all in one folder.

I know you can deal with this with 'bins' but a project with hundreds of files is easier to organize if you can maintain a folder structure with your save.

I agree with the "file structure" way of sorting files. It would be nice if you could import folders as bins! :) I've given up on bins. The "All Media" bin has everything, and you always default to that bin. So i'm a very good folder sorter now.

I've submitted that feature request a month after I got V4. :) Glad to know i'm not the only one who wants it!

"Discard and remove from drive all unused media" button

I'll second that! soo many takes....

This would be easier and faster than the save as / copy trim media with project.

vegas needs to be a proper DAW to begin with....The only thing its good at is moving the audio bits around and thats it!

Define what a "Proper DAW" is.

IMHO, flexible and powerful editing of media is what PCs bring to the DAW. The DAW is a NLE for Audio. The idea of just "moviing bits" around is fundamental the PC as a DAW. The hardware equivalent is terrible and - again IMHO - most "DAWs" fall down with it and are playing catch up to Vegas.

So, please elaborate on what a "proper" DAW is and how Vegas is lacking.

Peter

A proper DAW would allow you to route stuff.
A proper DAW would have a proper mixer.
A proper DAW would have play meters.

the list is endless but these are just the BASIC requirements and still they arent there.

Again ...i love Vegas for moving bits around and editing but that is pretty much the whole feature list.

"vegas needs to be a proper DAW to begin with"

Well, I believe the majority consider ProTools to be a "proper DAW". I've never considered the majority to be correct, thus why I chose to use Vegas over Protools over 5 years ago, and every year I check out the latest Protools has, and I'm still using Vegas and enjoying it.

Arnar,
Why don't you try that other "proper DAW", we'll all be waiting for you when you get back. 90% of my work flow for a DAW is editing and recording. Vegas excels over any other app in those areas, so if the other apps excel in the other 10%......so what, BFD.

My Feature suggestions:
1. H/W fader control surface via MIDI REMOTE (ie my Yamaha 03D)
2. Surround Encoder. The ability to take a surround mix and encode it to a Stereo .WAV file.
3. CD TEXT
4. Reverse Event
5. A way to transfer ACID projects directly to Vegas or OMF for both.

I just love to see how Vegas users are touchy when it comes to the PRotools comparison......i find it cute.

Interesting....90 % of your workflow is editing and recording...
So that leaves 10% for actual MIXING....

I can see why you get along just fine with Vegas, you dont do any mixing!

besides who cares about other apps like pro-tools!?
Im saying that Vegas isnt good enough for mixing, why do i have to compare to other progs?

Feel free to post your feature requests ONCE again without ever knowing if any of these features will ever be implemented.

>>why do i have to compare to other progs?<<

What are you talking about??!! Of course you are comparing. Your entire criticism/argument is based on comparions to "other progs" ie; stating that Vegas isn't a "proper DAW" is nothing but some vague comparison to other apps and you aren't offering any support for this criticism.

I personally don't find mixing in Vegas to be problematic at all. Like many others I would very much like to see some features added that have already been mentioned in this thread. For me the editing power of Vegas outweighs its current limitations in any area, hence why I continue to use it. To argue that its not a "proper DAW" is simply not vaild, especially in light of the fact that you don't appear to be willing to explain/clarify what you mean.

drbam

"entire criticism/argument is based on comparions to "other progs" ie; stating that Vegas isn't a "proper DAW""

UH??

How you came to that conclusion is simply beyond me!?

Im not comparing to ANY app ,im saying that Vegas doesnt allow me to execute the ideas in my head while mixing and that has nothing at all to do with other apps.

"For me the editing power of Vegas outweighs its current limitations in any area, hence why I continue to use it. "

Exactly the same with me except for the fact that i have run out of patience and workarounds and not you ....!?

The routing is very bad !!

Fixing that would take it a step further to a proper DAW

I've always found Vegas a years ahead of other NLE's in terms of Audio (and vidoe IMHO). Premere 6 (which competed against VV3) had almsot no audio capabilities: Shows a wave form and you can adjust it's volume. Can't zoom in to do fine audio edits, can't have audio playback realtime on the meters unless you have the meters slected, then you can't use the timeline... ick.

Back on topic...

Importing an Acid-Zip file into Vegas would be AWSOME! You could score in Acid, then bring into Vegas! Better yet, if you had 2 people working on a project: one scoring one editing, you could combine both into vegas no problem! And STILL retain and surround sound info! :) I was thinking the same thing the minute I started using Screenblast ACID 4!

What about an auto-sound leveler? You know how when you play multiple sounds at the same time it added to the overall volume (and hence get ocational clipping)? Well, a routine to always keep the volume between Xdb and Ydb. Awsome! :)

7.1 speaker support (i only have 5.1, but hey, some people have 7.1)

A free Dolby-ProLogic encoder (is this possible?)

Oh, Audio "scope". Kinda like the one in Winamp that shows you how loud each frequeny is.

And one last thing (for now): The non-realtime audio event FX... It always save a WAV file every time you add an effect. (and replaces the origional WV on the timeline) How about giving you the option of saving a WAV or not. If not, you must render the modified section (with the Selectively Prerender Video) for playback when you're ready to play/PTT.

Arnar, you are really showing how little you know.

Arnar said:
"Vegas doesnt allow me to execute the ideas in my head while mixing"

And those ideas are? You've been directly asked by a Sony/Sonic Foundry employee for suggestions, and you have given no feedback. So basically, everybody's listening and you have nothing to say. This is a sure sign of ignorance and the rest of us are not mind readers.

Arnar said:
"Interesting....90 % of your workflow is editing and recording...
So that leaves 10% for actual MIXING....
I can see why you get along just fine with Vegas, you dont do any mixing!"

Not true at all. It's just that 90% of the type of work I do is either MASTERING, or Advertising. Anyone that's ever done any advertising work, can tell you that very little time is spent on mixing an advertisement. Most of the time is spent editing and recording take after take. An advertisement usually takes about 4-6 hours to complete a spot from start to finish, depending how much production is required. Of that time about 20 minutes is dedicated to the mix, if you take longer than that it's a sure sign you don't know what you're doing. Vegas allows me to mix quickly and look professional. Also, within mastering and assembling a CD, most of my time is spent editing. The other 10% of my work is doing music. Most of my sessions again are spent recording and editing. Depending on the artist it will take 3-8 sessions to complete recording and editing a song. It then will take me 1 session to complete a mix. So obviously, from your statement you know very little about the recording process, or else you'ld be able to recognize that 90% of the recording process is spent in pre-production and the other 10% is in mixing. Otherwise if it's not, you're spending a lot of time mixing terds.

Arnar said:
"The routing is very bad !!"
Lol!!! Have you even used Vegas before? I've worked in Studio's with SSL mixers at hand. SSL's are known for their flexibility in routing, and they only cost $500K at an entry level. I can tell you from experience that Vegas's routing is comparible to an SSL console. If you don't know how to properly use the tools at your finger tips, it's not the fault of the tool, it's the fault of your lack of knowledge. I think what you need to suggest is an "automix" feature. Where you just record some takes and the app mixes it for you, because obviously you know nothing about mixing to do it properly.

Geesus ...there you go again Rednroll ...

How little i know???...Why is this factor so important to you all the time , proving other people are stupid....man, what classic inferiority complex .

Calling people ignorant and what have you ...

Yes i have worked on an SSL and Neve and im surprised that you would compare the routing on an SSL to Vegas routing but im not going to call you ignorant even though i dont understand your logic.....well im not sure i should bother replying to such namecalling.

I myself work on ad´s and i do music as well just to fill you in even though i really cant bother with one of your pisssing contests right now as i need to get some work done , but thanks for the invite.

10% or 90% mixing then Vegas is not good for mixing !?
Its incredible that i feel i need to explain this but my job is very often about getting the recordings and mixing them so my job is different from your Red....Unbelivable i know but still a fact.

As for me explaining what i want then yes i will take the time to do that even though there seem to be enough "Suggestion" Feature request" posts in this forum as it is.

I would think that it would be apparent to any sound engineer that the routing amongst other things could be improved upon in Vegas.

This forum is just locked into a groove where a lot of people seem to automatically approach a post like mine with these kinda responses and this i knew when i posted.

As you can see in my other post then im simply interested in hearing a "Suggestion " Feature Proposal" form SF?

Im not the one thats supposed to design their software now am i?

Maybe they should hire you Red....For customer support...hehehehehehe.

im sure you would alleviate some of your inferiority complex by talking to stoopid people on the phone all day.

"I just love to see how Vegas users are touchy when it comes to the PRotools comparison......i find it cute.

Interesting....90 % of your workflow is editing and recording...
So that leaves 10% for actual MIXING....

I can see why you get along just fine with Vegas, you dont do any mixing!"

It seems you're the one starting the pissing match. I'm touchy when it comes to the Protools comparison? I'm a former Protools user, why would I be touchy? I can go back to using Protools anytime I like. I don't do ANY mixing? What you start the pissing match, and get a little back on you and can't handle it? This is the classic "I can dish it out, but can't take it inferiority complex."

Maybe if you made some valid points with backing information then SF would start to listen and implement some of your feature requests. I believe, "Vegas doesnt allow me to execute the ideas in my head while mixing" is a little vague and is probably why you've never seen a feature implemented that you requested or got any responses back about features. I talk to SF engineering almost on a daily basis, and give details and reasons why a certain functionality is needed. That's probably why I've seen a lot of my suggestions implemented in their products, and why they ask me to test their products with the new feature set, before they get released.