What's a good cutter/splitter software for captured avi

fetch wrote on 2/2/2004, 6:27 AM
I've just captured some footage from my VCR to my HD using Sony Video Capture 4.0.
I now want to split the avi file at selected scenes to save hard drive space.
Problem is I can't find a prog that will accept the type of captured avi file for cutting.

I've tried :
VirtualDub (does not like the avi file)
Avi Splitter (only limited to 2GB files) and I don't think it will accept it
AVI/MPEG/ASF/WMV Splitter (does not like the avi file)

Any ideas?

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corug7 wrote on 2/2/2004, 6:41 AM
This might just be stating the obvous, but how 'bout bringing it into Vegas and Rendering each portion out. Yeah, it is a little time consuming, but it should at least work.
fetch wrote on 2/2/2004, 6:47 AM
Yes it is a little time consuming when the file is 1 hour long.
Surely there must be some sort of proggy out there for splitting/cutting DV avi files.

I don't want to render out as it will reduce the quality as it is already from a VCR.
busterkeaton wrote on 2/2/2004, 7:16 AM
When you captured it, did you have scene detection on?
fetch wrote on 2/2/2004, 7:35 AM
Ok, solved the problem
I needed to install a VFW codec inorder for vdub to accept DV avi files.
In this case I installed the panasonic codec:
http://users.tpg.com.au/mtam/install_panvfwdv.htm

I'm now able to split my captured files without recompression.
the_learninator wrote on 2/2/2004, 7:49 AM
maybe i'm missing something or it's different but the program should already split the AVI files for you. You can specify how big you want each file to be and when it reaches the specified point it makes a new file. I have mine set to 400MB which can range from 14sec to 1:50min but it makes things sooooooooooooo much easier when editing.
Randy Brown wrote on 2/2/2004, 7:50 AM
"I'm now able to split my captured files without recompression."

FWIW, The following is a reply from Spot when I asked the forum if there would be any quality loss if I render as NTSC (compressed) as opposed to uncompressed:

>>>>No. If the project was originated on DV, you'll lose nothing, and gain nothing, by rendering to uncompressed. You'll incur VERY long render times for no gain.
Render to NTSC-DV in most situations, even for archiving, if that's how the media was acquired. If you imported uncompressed or 4:2:2 from some other capture source, you might consider uncompressed, but otherwise, don't worry about it.<<<<

Randy
johnmeyer wrote on 2/2/2004, 8:13 AM
If you capture in DV format, and do cuts-only editing in Vegas, when you render the file, the bits are copied, not re-rendered. No loss in quality at all.

Also, if you use Virtualdub, it WILL re-render, unless you use "Direct Stream Copy." And, if you use "Direct Stream Copy," you don't need the codec that you said you just downloaded. Therefore, I think that if you are using Virtualdub the way I think you are, you are actually making the video worse, whereas if you used Vegas, the video quality would be totally unaffected.
taliesin wrote on 2/2/2004, 8:31 AM
Still not sure what's the point.
If we talk about capturing dv-avi from a dv deck - you'll should be fine with the Sony Video Capture tool which has scene splitting integrated.
If we talk about capturing analog video - have you tried "AVCutty"? This is a smart tool to auto-split AVIs by optical differences without recompression. And you have the option to output as Vegas EDL.

www.emmerling-kr.de/avcuttyindex.htm

Marco
rrogan wrote on 2/2/2004, 8:50 AM
AVCutty looks like a nice utility for those analog tapes. However I will have to brush up on my German!
fetch wrote on 2/2/2004, 8:58 AM
Actually john I tried doing it first without the codec (selecting direct streamcopy) - it would not accept the file.
Reading in other forums I discovered that a vfw(video for windows) codec was required inorder to read in avi files captured straight from a dv cam.
Try it for yourself.
(Supposedly does not reduce quality if you choose direct stream copy).

I found vdub very easy to use as it allowed me to select only the sections I wanted from the main captured clip and it would then run a batch and cut all the selected sections in one go.
It will then save each selection as individual files.

I don't think vegas can do this? can it?

Because capturing from my vcr does not have timecoding and DV device control, I decided to just capture the whole vhs tape then cutout the scenes I did not want later.
I did not want to use scene detection or just splitting files into smaller files because I did not see the point in that when really all I wanted were certain scenes.
johnmeyer wrote on 2/2/2004, 10:02 AM
Actually john I tried doing it first without the codec (selecting direct streamcopy) - it would not accept the file. Reading in other forums I discovered that a vfw(video for windows) codec was required inorder to read in avi files captured straight from a dv cam. Try it for yourself.

Yes, you are correct. Temporary brain freeze here. You need the codec to read the files, but if you use direct stream copy, you don't need a codec to re-encode the files (i.e., if you actually modify the files in Virtualdub using filters, you will need a codec for rendering).

It will then save each selection as individual files. I don't think vegas can do this? can it?

Vegas can do this using the Batch GUI script. I do it almost every day. I select dozens of "highlights" from an hour-long tape, and then render them to individual files. You use the Regions capability in Vegas, and then in the dialog box presented by the script, you select "Regions." Get the script here:

BatchRenderGUI

taliesin wrote on 2/2/2004, 12:52 PM
I think the author works on an english version.

Marco