What's the easiest way to edit between two angles?

SprocketXPMW wrote on 11/1/2004, 7:05 PM
Ok, I've been using Vegas 4 for a while now to make slideshows, but now I'm getting into editing video a little... Shot a wedding with two mini-dv cameras and now I need to know how to easily edit between the two angles... I wish there was an easier way to align the audio, but I guess I'll just look for some camera flashes and do it that way... but what I want to know is, how can I have the two video clips each on there own separate track and have it switch back and forth at certain places without having to cut, slice, splice, and past the video from both tracks into one track--because... that just isn't working at all.

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Spot|DSE wrote on 11/1/2004, 7:38 PM
Look for flashes or hard transients, like the first clap in the clapping. Once it's set, you'll do best to pick audio from the better of the two cams if you have a good source feed.
Ultimate S is great for 2 cam edits, Excalibur does well too.
You can use compositing envelopes to cut between the two cams as well.
What's best is to create a picture in picture using track motion so you can see the two images in the preview screen/window.
Then drop markers where you want to cut from one to the other. Using compositing envelopes, using markers with Ultimate S or Excalibur, it all works essentially the same. You'll be cutting from one to the other. Ultimate S and Excalibur both assemble it for you, but compositing envelopes or splitting/deleting media also works fine.
Inserting timecode to the two media files helps if you need to log time of cuts/markers as well.
HTH.
SprocketXPMW wrote on 11/1/2004, 8:01 PM
ok, those two plug-in's range around $75-$100... so, compositing envelopes sounds more feasable... if I knew how to use them. :) and making a PIP with track motion--track motion's probably the thing I've been using to make pans/zooms for my slideshows, right...? I downloaded the vegas manuel--I'm hoping that will help, too.
jetdv wrote on 11/1/2004, 8:20 PM
I have an article in my newsletters where I discuss four different methods of doing 2 or more cameras (the 4th method is with Excalibur {version 3 makes the process much simpler} and a new 5th method can be with Ultimate S for 2 cameras)

The article explains using the composite envelope. It also discusses manually creating a Master track.
philpw99 wrote on 11/1/2004, 10:24 PM
a easy way to do it is insert a Mute Envelop on the Top track of your video, then add points to it. When it's mute, you switch to the second video. It's always accurate: it will show either 1st one or 2nd, not half 1st then half 2nd. and it require less mouse clicks than the composite level envelop.

Another good thing about Mute Envelop: you can see which part is mute right away. The mute parts looks dull, the other parts look normal.
TorS wrote on 11/2/2004, 12:44 AM
I don't think there's any mute envelope in Vegas 4 - which the poster is using. I've never seen it.

Here's a simple low-cost (gratis) method that works.
Put the footage from both cams on the timeline both audio and video. If there is a "master shot" put that on the lower tracks. You'll probably want a few tracks above for stills and text, but that can be added later. (Press ctrl-shift-q)

Align the audio until it matches. If both cams have been running all the time this should be easy. If there's a lot of stops and starts it's still easy, but more work. Audio and video should be locked by default. Make sure you have not pressed the unlock button.

When the tracks are aligned you need to start selecting which bits to keep and not. Spot's suggestion of using PIP may be comfortable for you to work with. Don't use pan/crop for it, use track motion on the upper track header. Just pull the size down, position it and there you go. You just reset it afterwards. For now, keep both audio tracks, but you may mute one of them.

Now then, each time you want to use the lower track stuff, mark the stretch on the upper track video only and delete it. No need to make cuts, just right-click-hold at the left of it, pull to the right and let go. Then press delete. You can fine-tune the edges by dragging them, make them fade in and out etc.

If you want to use transitions, make a fade first by pulling the corner of the upper track video. Drop the transition on the fade, and it's there. If you pull it out to a greater length you may have to re-adjust the keyframes in the transition properties according to the new length. You may have to temporarily disable the PIP to see the proper effect of the cuts and transitions you make (this is why I don't Hurrah Spot's suggestion entirely).

Set in the stills and texts after or during this process, according to taste. When you're done. start working on the audio. If one track is good and one rotten, you know what to do. If they're both bad you may have to experiment to fine the one, or perhaps use both. Or even, dump them both and put on music instead.

This is an easy way to work. You can do more than two tracks also, but then you must make cuts in all the above tracks when you want to see the lower. At a point it may become "feasable" to dish out for a ready-made script like the ones they tried to sell you above. But for the odd wedding or what have you, the method I've described will do you just fine.
Tor
SprocketXPMW wrote on 11/3/2004, 10:11 AM
Hey, thanks TorS, that's the most complete detailed method I've seen yet... I haven't tried it yet. If I have any problems I'll post again. Thanks for the transition tips, I was wondering about that, too.
Mandk wrote on 11/3/2004, 10:42 AM
If you have a lot of editing to do the cash for excaliber or Ultimate s is well worth it. I am finishing up about 7 hours of final footage with 2, 3, or 4 cameras. Any of the manual methods would probably have worked but spending moe time on capture than editing is well worth it in my opinion.