I have been asked to video a High School play, edit and create a DVD master. I am trying to find out what others have charged for this. I will be using one VX2000 camera and will video two performances. Thanks for your time.
I'd be interested in hearing others reply as well. I'm so baffled when it comes to bidding it's amazing I can make a dime. I have my low end at 2k for just about anything video, but my biggest problem is getting anything more than that. I think my work is worth more, but yet am in such desperate need I fear scaring them off. Not to mention the fact that I honestly think the jobs I've gotten thus far couldnt have paid much more even if they wanted to. Though I feel like I'm killin myself making pennies on the dollar, I tell myself I'm paying my dues, but gotta say I fear it will always be like this.
Anyway, great topic, I'll be keeping an eye on it.
So its just one copy of the play----for internal uses not to be duplicated and sold? THe problem here is that the high school should know that there are major copyright issues--in fact, most of the companies that sell rights to schools to do plays, musicals etc are very firm when it comes to taping performances. Hate to be the naysayer but you should be very careful about this.
TLT, Rex is right. The folks at Samuel French (or where ever it came from) can/will nail your hide to the barn door, along with that of the admin at the school, if they find out.
Mutt, I charge by the hour, for what it's worth. Usually, I'll try to get as much info from the potential client as I can. Too, often they simply say, "I want you to shoot a half-hour video. What will that cost?"
I try to explain that that's like saying, "I want you to build me a house. What will it cost?" I ask them, "How many bedrooms to you want? How many baths? Is is woodframe or brick? One-story or two? And so on. They get the picture pretty quick then. Then I ask, am I shooting one person delivering a presentation in one location, or am I shooting multiple subjects in multiple locations? Where there be sound? What exactly are the requirements?
You may bid $1,000 on a 10-minute video only to discover it's going to take you 30 days to shoot, post, and deliver the final piece!
The more information you can gleen from the client the better chance you have of submitting an accurate and fair bid.
I know what most of the "big" productions companies here in Miami charge. I undercut them to the point I'm still comfortable with my profit. Most them have large buildings and full-time crews to support. So based on that alone, I can save the client a bundle of money, because I don't have any of the massive over-head.
I know if anyone underbids me, it's the guy's brother-in-law with his tiny camcorder and Windows Movie Maker!
Firstly try and vary angles and close ups between the two performances, so you have alternatives for editing.
Two evenings setting up and shooting - maybe 8-10 hours of your time.
I've no idea what your local market is like, but divide what you think you're worth per week by forty and you have an hourly rate - don't forget to factor in the cost of buying shooting and editing equipment. How much is this? Well no definite answer, but maybe start with how much, on average, you spend on video Hardware and Software, including updates, each year. Divide this by fifty, then by 40 and you have an equipment factor to include in your hourly rate,
Editing - capturing two performances then a sort of two camera edit, except that they won't synch up, so a bit more fiddly, but basically an easy edit as everything's already in sequence. Maybe a coupla days?
Add at least a couple of hours for titles/credits.
Now there's rendering to MPEG 2 and creating a DVD Menu system.
Add the cost of the tapes/discs you've used.
You don't have to approach it this way, but at least it's based on your time and other costs. If you're providing a DVD master, it sounds like they'll be making their own copies, so make sure you get a fair reward for your part.
I make $500/hour. Just wish I could work more than one hour a week : )
Seriously, though, Tom, if you have a day rate or half day rate, charge that for the shooting, then charge hourly for the editing. After you've done a few, you'll have a better idea of what you're in for, so you can charge a flat fee, perhaps, but you will have all kinds of issues pop up with a scenario like this.
I would definitely make sure you can legally do this, because I'd bet that you can't. To "tape it for the school" would probably not be a big deal, but to copy and distribute it to parents will likely be a copyright problem.
Ray, you're only getting $2K for those videos you're doing? Should be getting a lot more...
for PD150/VX1000 & mics etc and operator with accreditation/experience is 500 - 600$/day. Same shooter with BetaSP/Broadcast WS DVCAM/BetaSX gets 1000 CAD or more per day.
Experienced operator + AVID DV or older NT Xpress/Premiere Pro & Matrox 50 - 80 CAD/hr.
Audio Editing with Vegas/Sound Forge or Protools - usually 35$ - 50$/hr.
DVD Authoring with ReelDVD/Encore/Mac?? MINIMUM 350$ for menus + variable rate for encoding.
Photoshop Artist - minimum 50$/hr.
Sound guy with Sony 672, FP24 & FP33, three Sony wireless mics with ECM 77s 400$/day
Lighting guy with 4 instrument Red Head kit, 2 600 watt Lowell Fresnels, 3 150 watt pin spots, 2 ellipsoidals, C-Stands & clamps, gels & diffusion, minivan and years of experience - 500$ per day
Transfer to or from Betacam SP - 1.50$ per minute
Transfer miniDV to DVCAM - 1$ per minute
Hope this helps. These prices may be in Canadian dollars but I am sure they'll be the same in USD. Consider a Big Mac Meal is 5.99$ whether bought in Pacifica, California or Calgary, Alberta.