raf: PTT working here. What are your symptoms of not being able to?

cityanimal: I doing MPEG2 only for DVD - thru' DVDA3. Doing one now. Seems like it is chugging along nicely. How much longer than V5?

Grazie

Yes, at the moment I still work with V5 too, due to some of the bugs mentioned here.

But: please give Sony the time to fix that! It is worth nothing to have 6.0b one week earlier - and then discuss again the same bugs. So, be patient a little bit.

Well, nothing applying to me personnally but let's say "before may 31st" would be a good deadline, nope? ; )

"before may 31st"

Yes, please. That would be very nice.

The print to tape problem I had was that I normally use a MiniDV deck to pass through to another deck (like beta) when mastering. The print to tape wouldn't work unless I actually had a tape in the MiniDV deck that I was passing the video through, then it worked fine. I know V5 never did this.

Still happily using V4 here.

ken

Did you turn off "device control" in V6?

Most of the bugs posted here in an emotional haste have either something to do with the user's system (hardware, OS, etc) or something configured incorrectly in Vegas. Other than the few well-known, mostly minor bugs that have been confirmed, Vegas 6 is working peachy keen for me and I suspect most other users.

Paul, Vegas 6 is the buggiest release of Vegas since version 2.

EDIT: sorry I meant "since version 1.0" (Vegas Pro). Version 2 is perfectly stable.

I mean, if V5 works with no crashes, then one would suspect that V6 on the same machine would work in a similar fashion. Not so much the case.

Actually, V6 isn't the buggiest, but to each his own. As Paul said, *most* of the problems are user-configuration errors. Running Vegas on several machines here, just running fine and dandy. There are a few issues, of course. Sony has said they'll address them in an update, and I'm certain you'll be seeing the update, because the Madison team doesn't want unhappy customers.
Read back 1 year, and read what users were saying about Vegas 5, and read back 2 years and read what they said about Vegas 4.
With this much change in the overall "under the hood" features of Vegas 6, it was bound to require a little time for a shakeout.

Actually, V6 isn't the buggiest, but to each his own. As Paul said, *most* of the problems are user-configuration errors.
Would you say people (users) who have been running V4 and V5 successfully are mucking up their configs to the point that previous versions run but not upgrades?

Read back 1 year, and read what users were saying about Vegas 5, and read back 2 years and read what they said about Vegas 4.
That is a point of view that many may NOT be willing to agree with. There are outstanding issues from v5.0d which have been carried over v6.
As you say with these many changes in the overall features.....
But we have to work with it daily and comforting noises from Vegas team would help us considerably.

I remember what people were saying last year with Vegas 5, but 90% of the complaints were the new Hello Kitty colors, not bugs.

Based on my own experience and the experience of people I work with, this release is the buggiest. Projects that render on V5 freeze or crash on V6. Same box. Same configuration. Same project. Different Vegas.

The reason it bothers me so much is the same reason I use Vegas in the first place. I love to use really well engineered software.

Went ahead and installed V6. I havent done a lot yet with it. But, nothing scary happened. It didnt make me reinstall windows or anything. Frankly its not that big a deal. If there are features that you need in V6 that you don't have in v4 for instance (Ken) then upgrade.

Sometimes these forums are like watching the evening news. All you hear is the bad news. There is a lot of Vegas 6 that works flawlessly and that is what I have experienced so far and by the time I get around to any of the known bugs they will probably have the fix. I have never had DVDA before and for that reason I upgraded from V5 stand alone. My one gripe was that there were not that many new creative features just seemed to be a lot of under the hood stuff like the HD stuff and the media manager.

Still, its nice having the Track motion presets back. Although I have found that the 3d LE from Satish's plugin pac. Works fine in V6 and lets you do 3d on events. The good thing about that is you can paste these event attributes onto other events and have all the key frames too. So workflow is better than just using track motion and saving a preset for start keyframe and then another for end.
--Sorry I went off on a bit of a tangent.

-TomE

RAF,

I think the solution to your problem is to prerender all files before printing to tape. That's what I had to do on my only PTT project in V6.

Raf,

I think the solution to your problem is to prerender all files before printing to tape. That's what I had to do on my only PTT project in V6.

Scott

You're right, Cheese. Sorry for sounding judgemental there. I was thinking of the early emotional outbursts when it first came out that assumed major bugs without first verifying they were actually bugs. Some were just things users had wanted and hadn't gotten. There are a few strange anomalies in the FX but I guess I've been so happy with the overall experience of V6 and DVDA over V4 that the few small problems I've encountered just don't seem to be that significant.

Edit . . and LOL about the Hello Kitty buttons. I remember that -- How do you expect us to present THIS interface to our clients, etc.

I'm happy about the new features, I just wish they didn't release it, what was it, three days after the beta testers got their hands on the final build? ;D

I'm still holding out hope for version b in the next couple weeks...!

:-D

@ Paul,

I am one of the founder of the German Vegas-Forum, and of the videotreffpunkt.com. I run Vegas-4, Vegas-5 and now Vegas-6 on my standalone Video-PC (no firewall, no virus scanner, no office - only NLEs). The PC is a quite new machine (P4, 3.2 GHz, 1 GB RAM, Raid 5), and has been set up completely new only two weeks ago.

So, if I detect with that machine a bug like the "print to tape bug", and if such a bug is confirmed by a lot of people - I assume that there is such a bug not only in my imagination.
;)

Wolfgang,

Again, I apologize for sounding judgemental. Post was not directed towards you, but I certainly posted it in the wrong thread. That post belonged back when the hysteria was going on. Personally, haven't tried a print to tape yet -- my first cuts are saved as an avi, then split and saved to DVD, so I'm not saying there are no issues. But unlike many others, you expressed my optimism that the team in Wisconsin will get things straightened out.

>>>Read back 1 year, and read what users were saying about Vegas 5, and read back 2 years and read what they said about Vegas 4. <<<

Ok...tounge in cheek but I just can not resist here. :)

yes Spot is correct - do read back. Black frames, Flash frames, lack of hardware support, no real EDL support, no Film matchback support - man so glad that all these issues were put to rest in Version 4...er...Version 5...er Version 6....er....

;)

On a more serious note - Spot please see my thread about loops and respond when you get a chance.

Thanks Slacy, I will try in this way.
But the thing is that Vegas6 has really a lot of bugs!!! Used V4 and V5 on the same machine and know pretty well which are the configurations good for Vegas, so..... the PrintToTape is using a lot of time only to prepare to print and then to render the prerendered W64 file. After this looks all is going on OK in Vegas, but in my camcorder (I use it like a deck) coming NO images! The LCD remains black and on tape is registering nothing! I do it with V5 and all is perfect and much faster in rendering!

Hope really in a fix very soon! Not nice to need more versions of the same software to complete one job!! I am also a programmer and this is a case that should not happen (not for so important issues): testing is one of the most important things before release a new software! Sony, better to go a little bit slower and release a 100% working product!!!!!! Remember!

Raf