where to Share our Productions

Cunhambebe wrote on 2/4/2005, 8:13 PM
Hi there! This is just a thought, or better yet, a suggestion. That'd be so great if we had a site to upload our home (or pro) productions edited with Vegas. I've searched on the web and found Chienwork's site but it seems that only *.wmp files are accepted there. I was thinking about a site where we could upload our productions rendered as Divx or Xvid so the quality would be almost 100% perfect. I've got some video files edited with Vegas (MY OWN, OWN, OWN VIDEOS) and I'd like to share them with the whole world. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Thanks in advance and...believe me folks....this forum is one of the best sites on the web.

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B_JM wrote on 2/4/2005, 8:24 PM
hmmmm - you got unmetered 10meg/sec connection bandwidth handy ? or about $700 a month ?
B_JM wrote on 2/4/2005, 8:25 PM
if you do - i'll set it up ...
Cunhambebe wrote on 2/4/2005, 8:40 PM
You'll set it up? Hmmmmm......Don't know. Hey I've just got an idea. What about Bit Torrent (only legal files)? By the way....have you noticed that I haven't edited these posts as much....lol
BillyBoy wrote on 2/4/2005, 9:14 PM
I think the point is even if you have the resources to upload huge files the problem is always going to be the very limited audience that will bother to download them. While not perfect WMV files can be good quality, more than enough to get your ideas across.
theceo wrote on 2/5/2005, 1:15 AM
you can get a 700G a month or so server setup for 99 bucks at rack shack type host companies

i think they top you off at 1.5 Mips though
Chienworks wrote on 2/5/2005, 4:10 AM
I had three reasons for denying Xvid and Divx files. The first is that the extension is usually .avi. I reject all .avi files because most of the .avi uploads i got were DV or uncompressed, or were other stranger and less common (and often putrid-looking) codecs. So between multi-gigabyte files that were too huge to download, and tiny MJPEG or Cinepak files that were too awful to watch, it seemed rather pointless to accept .avi files.

Secondly, it seemed that most of the .avi uploads were quick, unedited grab shots from people's digital cameras rather than videos that had been edited with Vegas. And, after all, the purpose of VegasUsers.com is to show off stuff created with Vegas, right? Many people find the site by doing a web search for "upload a video file" and upload scenes from last night's party, then leave without ever looking at anything else in the site or participating in any way. True, some of these folks now convert to MPEG and upload anyway. I probably still get a dozen or more each week which i simply dispose of.

Thirdly, at the time i got the site going, the general concensus was that Divx was almost entirely used by pirates rather than serious video editors. If you glance through the forum postings a couple years ago you'll see that there was almost no professional level or industry standards support for it. Almost all Divx usage was illegal rips from DVDs. Since there was very little standards support, it was also common for various Divx files to be incompatible with various players. Serious editors stayed away from Divx in droves. It all seemed rather pointless, especially since WMV 9 encodes are now as good as Divx.

I suppose i could allow .avi uploads now just in case there are more valid uses for Divx. However, i will still limit uploads to 20MB and anything over that will be automatically rejected. I still suspect though that the majority of the .avi files i see will be unacceptable for the site and i'll just waste more time reviewing them all.

Hey, i would love to have an OC-12 line all to myself so that i could allow unlimited uploads and downloads of 100MB to GB files! If i could do it, i'd be happy to provide it. Bandwidth costs money though, whether you have the line yourself or whether you're hosted elsewhere. I keep having folks point out $99/month hosting deals, but if you read the fine print, most of them have bandwidth caps far below what VegasUsers.com uses every month. The extra charges to handle the traffic i get now would be much much greater than $99/month. The research i've done so far (and it's been pretty extensive over the past 5 years) shows that the next step up in bandwidth for me will cost around $400/month even if i do host elsewhere. That step up is only about 4 times the bandwidth i have now, which really isn't that much of an improvement.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 2/5/2005, 6:51 AM
Take a look at WebFlix Cinema and see if that would suit your purposes.

Jay
Stonefield wrote on 2/5/2005, 10:57 AM
I would give Cheinworks another look. It really is a wonderful site and has probably been mainly responsible for boosting my goals as far as multimedia is concerned. It's not just what formats and size of videos it accepts, but your video there will been seen by a very knowledgable and dedicated community of Vegas users. The feedback from those people is priceless.
Cunhambebe wrote on 2/5/2005, 12:18 PM
Thanks to all who took time to respond. Thanks for the hints.
Chienworks' site is definitely great but I would like to say something about Divx and Xvid. I've never tried those codecs before and don't even know how they work but as far as I know, from what I've heard, their quality "is" great and may be much better than wmv 9.0. Chienworks' remarks on piracy may be true but It's too unfair. We cannot blame a tool just because some people (as always, the people) use it illegally. If we think this way, I guess the same could be said for DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink and most of you probably know how valuable these tools are to back up our own productions. Divx and Xvid (MPEG2 would be the last alternative) have also currently been used by Lightwave users to upload their own rendered 3D scenes at Newteks' site or at LWG3D (Lightwave Group 3D) and there's absolutely nothing illegal about that. Let's not blame one tool/codec just because some people use it "the wrong way". ;)
theceo wrote on 2/5/2005, 10:13 PM
web flix? they're selling 15MB videos? my one minute trailers for our movies are 10MB

my 'emovies' run 600 to 700MB for a 70 to 90 minute full screen video

that's about the same size that netflicks and such offer for real movies in download formats like wmv or rm

I can't see anyone trying to 'sell' a 15mb video file

theceo wrote on 2/5/2005, 10:19 PM
chienworks is way too slow

25K download for small videos (around 5mb) take way too long (download manager estimated 10 mins)



nickle wrote on 2/5/2005, 10:51 PM
You don't have to sit and watch it download.

Try multitasking.
Stonefield wrote on 2/6/2005, 12:13 AM
Just curious what your downloading goals are ? Let's say for instance you have a 700 mb movie of yours for presentation. What would you like the download time to be ?

I'm curious what kind of movie it is as well. Always like to see new people's work.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 2/6/2005, 5:54 AM
Theceo must be Zippy's twin.

Theceo--

You evidently didn't read anything on the WebFlix Cinema site. They're not selling videos!

Jay
riredale wrote on 2/6/2005, 9:18 AM
Chienworks:

Just how much does that bandwidth cost you every month? I've used your site several times over the past year to hold a few clips of my own.

What's the current size of all those files?
Chienworks wrote on 2/6/2005, 9:30 AM
I'm hosting it at my home on a business class cable connection right now. It costs me $80/month with no contractual bandwidth limit, but the upload speed of my line sets a physical limit of about 8GB/day or 250GB/month. However, people don't nicely wait in line and download at regular intervals, so sometimes the line gets overloaded and everything slows to a halt (i had to institute a 25KB/sec limit on downloading) and other times the line is nearly idle. It seems to average about 2GB/day of downloads most of the time, but the major hosting sites charge by peak usage, not average (read the fine print).

Right now there are about 3.2GB in 465 files.