Which is the best build for vegas pro in 2020? HELP

hoang-n wrote on 9/15/2020, 9:22 AM

Hello

I'm looking to build a new computer and i've checked a lot in this forum which CPU and GPU mostly.

I heard about a lot of problems with some people who choose a ryzen 3900x with a rtx 2070 or 2080 (https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/problems-with-both-v16-and-v17-and-amd--119565/#ca746088) or with a I9 9900K with a rtx 2070/2080 (https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/i-need-a-refund-vegas-18-is-not-working--123779/#ca770621) and also with a radeon 5700 xt (https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/cannot-render-using-amd-vce-on-radeon-5700-gpu--116419/)

I wanted to buy a ryzen 3900x with a radeon VII but unfortunately, they stopped the production.

I've checked also this "old" benchmark (https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-17-cpu-gpu-performance/ and https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_3700x_ryzen_9_3900x_review,18.html)

I need to edit 4k videos multicam, budget less than 1000 euros for CPU and less than 1000 euros for GPU.
My priority is to render the fast as possible

I'm a bit lost so i wanted to know which CPU and GPU works the best in 2020 with the new vegas pro without any problems of compatibility/render etc ?

Thank you

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JN- wrote on 9/15/2020, 9:55 AM

@hoang-n Theres a link in my profile to the Benchmarking project, you can check out the different systems that users are using.

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

j-v wrote on 9/15/2020, 10:07 AM

Make a big difference if your are willing to use proxies or not.

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Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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hoang-n wrote on 9/15/2020, 10:11 AM

Make a big difference if your are willing to use proxies or not.

It depend if it takes time to do proxies with Sony and if the proxies files weighs heavy ? (never used proxies yet but i'm thinking about it)

hoang-n wrote on 9/15/2020, 10:36 AM

Thanks @JN-, I'm wondering why some people who have for example like you a I9 9900K with a 2080 ti or an a ryzen 3900x with a rtx 2870/2080, have some problems to render (links on my 1st message) and some of them like you don't have problems ? So it is not a build problem (compatibility?), it is something else?

Thank you

j-v wrote on 9/15/2020, 11:21 AM

It depend if it takes time to do proxies with Sony and if the proxies files weighs heavy ?

It takes some time if you use the bild-in proxies and during that no need to be present and the amount of space is ca. 13% of the original of my DJI 4K 50p AVC files. Look how it goes on laptop from signature with 4 tracks containing DJI 4K 50p files and made proxies

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met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

JN- wrote on 9/15/2020, 1:03 PM

Thanks @JN-, I'm wondering why some people who have for example like you a I9 9900K with a 2080 ti or an a ryzen 3900x with a rtx 2870/2080, have some problems to render (links on my 1st message) and some of them like you don't have problems ? So it is not a build problem (compatibility?), it is something else?

Thank you

@hoang-n Up to now, the perceived wisdom that I saw on this forum, was that the PC needs to match VP rather than the other way around.

IMHO, VP doesn’t really get much benefit from lots more cores at lower frequencies. Rather it benefits, for 4K, at higher cpu frequency, and so far thats not possible at very high core counts.

If you’re VP usage is not a major part of your PC usage then build in a different way, not prioritising for VP.

If VP usage is a high priority simply go for a very fast 8, 10, 12 core cpu with the baddest ass Graphics card u can get your hands on, works for me.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

hoang-n wrote on 9/15/2020, 1:17 PM

@JN- VP is a high priority, which cpu do you recommand me between i9 9900k (8 core) and ryzen 3900x (12 core)? Or maybe both are fine for VP.

And which GPU card do you recommand me for each CPU (i9 9900 and 3900X) ?

Is that better to choose an amd GPU if i choose a amd CPU ? And same for Intel/ge force

I would like to use the VP 18 or maybe the vegas 365, but maybe it is not a good idea to buy the vegas 365 if i need that VP match to my PC?

 

Thank you

JN- wrote on 9/15/2020, 1:34 PM

@hoang-n Either cpu is probably fine, take into consideration motherboards etc to finally decide which way to go. I would definitely wait for the Nvidia 3800 and 3900 tests, very soon now. The Guru3D site does a VP render test as part of his software test suite, well worth a look, less than a week away.

I'm not sure it matters mixing amd, intel, nvidia, cpu's and gpu's. Just go for the best u can get. Its a very enjoyable experience, a new build, best of luck.

“The Guru3D site does a VP render test as part of his software test suite“ .. Correction: That appears to be for CPU reviews only.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

---------------------------------------------

PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

fred-w wrote on 9/15/2020, 3:19 PM

You're going to want to go with the soon-to-be-out Nvdia 3080 or 3090. Going to blow the doors off of everything even 2080ti. and its in the $700 range.

"Nvidia is promising big performance with the RTX 3080, up to two times that of the RTX 2080, and faster than even Nvidia's RTX 2080 Ti card. The card will ship with 10GB of GDDR6X memory and will be priced at $699 when it ships on September 17th."

j-v wrote on 9/15/2020, 3:59 PM

Why if you don't know the impact for and use by Vegas software that still is and I think stay leaning on CPU performance.

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Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

fred-w wrote on 9/15/2020, 4:38 PM

With the expensive 2080ti (and AMD Vegas 64, Radeon VII) you actually started getting pretty decent FPS playback rates.....THIS card is better, by ALL accounts, and cheaper....It's been previewed, and is out in two days....worth the wait to see. THAT IS WHY.

TheRhino wrote on 9/15/2020, 8:58 PM

Unless your only editing system failed & you are getting paid, IMO you should wait & see how the new CPUs & GPUs perform, including DRIVERS, since we are so close to at least the GPU release...

That said, I built my 5.0 ghz 9900K & VEGA 64 LQ ($350 open box) way back in April 2019 when some said I should wait until September 2019 to see how the "game changer" 3950X performs... Then the 3950X was delayed to nearly the end of the year, etc... Then it turns-out Vegas (& Photoshop) perform about the same on both & since those are my 2 primary apps for paid work, that's all that matters to me at the moment. I only spent $1350 US Dollars to upgrade all of the "guts" except for case, power supply & hard drives and I've had a great editing workstation this whole time vs. waiting 9 months to build a 3950X system..

Vegas is built on older code so it doesn't always fully utilize new hardware & sometimes it has issues with new drivers, like it did with the 5700XT when first released... I'm really, really excited about the new hardware & to see the first Vegas benchmarks... However, some other folks can be the guinea pigs while I keep using my 9900K to get paid! Then, when the dust settles & prices stabilize I'll probably upgrade a 2nd workstation & keep my super-quiet 9900K for sound dubbing, tape media imports, etc. since it has Thunderbolt 3 & 100% liquid cooling throughout...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

hoang-n wrote on 9/16/2020, 2:36 AM

I'm getting paid for it and my old vegas pro 13 failed sometimes etc BUT since the covid, i don't have a lot of work so i can wait for the new GPU/CPU i think =)

Reyfox wrote on 9/17/2020, 4:26 PM

Here is a link to a webpage that has a lot of information on this and benchmarked with Vegas 18.

https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-18-processor-graphics-card-performance/

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fred-w wrote on 9/18/2020, 4:38 PM

Here is a link to a webpage that has a lot of information on this and benchmarked with Vegas 18.

https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-18-processor-graphics-card-performance/

Rhino is on top of this. I would add:

The Techgage (thanks @Reyfox) shootouts are tremendous, BUT, in this case, today, you are missing the Nvidia RTX 3080 (just out yesterday, Min. $649. and up, and the soon to arrive 3090, in the $1200-1400 range) which purports to be a true game changer in the GPU techscape......Techgage will probably offer an update to that info, probably sooner than later, but who knows when?

For smooth playback, you've had the three real options in the prosumer field, and that is the 2080ti and the Radeon VII and Vega 64....well above the other cards on the list.....(this is from studying the past two Techgage Vegas Pro shootouts) as far as FPS playback, when you're adding any sort of edits/fx......

Now with the 3080, all indications are that you are going to see performance surpassing all three, at a substantially lower price than the 2080ti .....so, the only real "cheaper" option is the Vega 64, with which you're going to have to go with a water cooler or stepped up cooling (heat is an issue with Vega) and a beefier Power supply, so, either way, you're spending money in the range of the 3080 at the least.

fred-w wrote on 9/18/2020, 4:48 PM

@TheRhino Yes, the Vegas 64 water cooled you picked up was a steal. I don't know what the prices are now, but that "deal" you got was not easy to duplicate, from about a year ago; I tried, even in the "used" market. Can I assume with a water cooled there is more to it that just slamming in the new card???

The flagship Nvidia RTX 3080 offering has some tremendous heat piping/sinking... quite interesting design. Not talking about 3080s produced by third parties, like ASUS, MSI, etc.

TheRhino wrote on 9/19/2020, 10:17 PM

@fred-w In April 2019 Newegg was selling "refurbished" Liquid-Cooled PowerColor Vega 64's for $350 but essentially they were just open box returns. It came as a complete unit in a big box with the radiator & pump already sealed so there is no hassling with connecting lines. You just install it like any other GPU and then attach the radiator/fan where a normal case fan would go...

A key component of my Socket 1151 system is the ASUS Z390 WS motherboard that has a PLX chip to manage the (4) 16 lane PCIe slots since Socket 1151 CPUs only have 16 PCIe lanes... I have (4) 2TB M.2 drives in (2) separate RAID0, SATA RAID PCIe hardware card, Thunderbolt 3, 10G Network card, etc. and do not notice any slow-downs when transferring data, rendering (2-3) VEGs at once, etc.

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...