"whole movie" playback problem

tristan_s wrote on 7/31/2012, 3:35 AM
dear all,

as a newbie i tried to find a solution within the forum for my problem, but i couldn´t find, so hopefully there is someone within this community who can bring light into my darkness ...

i created a menu with two pages.
page one consists of one copy of my whole moviefile, imported as mediafile - shown as text button- defined with in/out point and then there is a link to menu page 2.
menu page 2 acts as a chapter selection site.
there are several chapters shown as text-buttons, which are nothing else than the same mediafile as above, but each of them has different in/out points.

burning dvd and playback on computer, navigating within the menu pages, playback the whole movie, the several chapters of menu page 2 - no problem.

but:
playing back the whole movie of menu page 1 via dvd on stand alone dvd-player and tv doesn´t work.
it always stops just before the in/out points of the chapter files and i just don´t know, how this file can "know" about the other in/out points.

i hope i described the problem understandable and hopefully there are some of you, who can help me.

big thanks in advance!
best, tristan

Comments

PeterDuke wrote on 7/31/2012, 4:00 AM
Someone more knowledgeable of the intricacies of DVDA may be able to say what to do to fix what you have done, but it seems to me that you are making work for yourself. Normally you would make a standard DVD with main menu, from which you can play the whole movie or select the chapter menu. From the chapter menu you go straight to that chapter point and play to the end of the movie, after which you return back to the main menu.

If that is what you want then it should be very straight forward with little work on your part. You start off by creating your movie in Vegas, inserting chapter points, and rendering out your video and audio.

You then create a new project in DVDA with menu, and then drag your movie to the main menu. You then create the chapter menu and you are finished (well sort of).
tristan_s wrote on 7/31/2012, 4:11 AM
dear peter,

thanks for your advice.
your approach could work for me.
two things: i edit in canopus edius and always render and export the whole file for dvd-architect.

ad working with chapter menues:
how is it possible to define the in/out point of a chapter, i only find the approach to define the beginning, but no out point.
is there somewher a tutorial just about that?

because of that i always work with the same media file where i can define the chapter via in/out point.

best,
tristan
PeterDuke wrote on 7/31/2012, 8:34 AM
With the approach I outlined, there is no out. The play carries on to the end of the movie. Since you don't use Vegas, you would have to insert the chapter markers in DVDA. (Not so convenient but same result.)

If you want play to return to the menu at the end of each chapter, you will have to do something like you are doing. I will try to do a forum search for you (no promises!) if that is what you want.
Chienworks wrote on 7/31/2012, 2:03 PM
DVD chapters never have an "out". By definition a chapter only has a beginning and the player will continue on to the end of the movie.

You can define media in & out points for an item on the disc that are different from the physical start & end of the media. The usual method for producing this sort of thing is to put one copy of the entire movie on the DVD for the whole movie playback *and* for each section you want to play individually. DVDA is smart enough to know that since they're all the same media so it will only include one physical copy. For each section you can set different in & out points. The DVD structure will treat these sections as if they only contain the portion you've marked, and therefore will kick in an end action that can return to the menu.

This does involve setting in & out points individually for each section, as well as chapter points for the whole movie playback if desired.
videoITguy wrote on 7/31/2012, 11:04 PM
Due to the inricate matters of authoring in SCS DVDAPro that automatically only creates one (1) Title set - some producers do suggest the in/out points for media to lock down the probability that if you do NOT do this it could be possible for a set-top player to advance uncontrollably from video segment to video segment. Your mileage with this sort of behavior will vary with set-top players of differing origin and firmware.

On the other hand if you are one of the less paranoid production people author away as people suggest with chapter marks within a single video media to define the start segments from chapter to chapter. Really simple, SCSDVAPro is setup to do this kind of authoring very fast and productively.
tristan_s wrote on 8/1/2012, 2:19 AM
dear peter,

that´s exactly what i´m looking for and your help would be great!
thanks + best, tristan
tristan_s wrote on 8/1/2012, 2:26 AM
dear chienworks,

thanks for answering.
i have defined different in/out points for each section and also for the whole movie.
as mentioned before it works fine on computer but not on standalone dvd-player/tv.
there the whole movie file acts as if the in/out points of the other sections are "well known" and disturbing this file when playing back.
it just freezes at the in/out point of the other sections, although it shouldn´t know about these in/out points.

best, tristan
PeterDuke wrote on 8/1/2012, 9:54 PM
Tristan

See if this thread helps
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=22&MessageID=794255
tristan_s wrote on 8/2/2012, 2:02 AM
dear peter,

thanks for your search!!!

i read it carefully.
that´s exactly what i did - but it doesn´t work with the standalone dvd-player.
computer playback works well.

in a german vegas forum, someone just told me, to add also scene chapters at exactly the in/out points of my "chapters" within the media file - so the whole movie playback should work - maybe this helps - i´ll give it a try.

best, tristan
PeterDuke wrote on 8/2/2012, 8:54 AM
My method to achieve the same effect is to use Vegas to chop the movie up into bits for each "chapter" (not really chapters, but sometimes called "titles").

Then create a new project with menu. Drag each movie portion to the main menu, which will create a button for it. Done.
tristan_s wrote on 8/2/2012, 10:29 AM
although i´m sure, that the standalone player is the main troublemaker, i´ll continue with different media files, so that there can´t be a mess.

thanks to all for your support!
best, tristan