Why doesn't Vegas allow normal three point edits?

GordyHinky wrote on 5/16/2004, 3:59 PM
I'm really having a hard time with my Vegas 5 decision. I can't seem to figure out how to do normal three point edits.

For example.

Selecting an in and out point of the source material and an in point on the timeline works fine in both "insert" and "overlay/overwrite" capacities. Insert with ripple enabled. Overwrite without ripple enabled. Pretty straight forward using the "add media from cursor" or "add media to cursor" options. However I can't get Vegas to do a standard "fit to fill", especially if the source media is shorter than the designated in and out points on the timeline . It just takes it upon itself to put continue putting media on the timline past my in or out point that I've chosen on the source media in the trimmer.

On top of that, the "loop region" (which I mistakenly took for monitor or timline in and out points) MOVES after inserting or overwriting media. And I can't seem to understand how to use the I and O keys in both the trimmer and the timeline while the video is playing. When I hit the I and O while the video is playing it does in fact mark them in the trimmer but I cannot then insert them because the space isn't grayed, so I have to manually do this with the mouse. Same applies for the timeline.

Comments

DGrob wrote on 5/16/2004, 6:10 PM
If I understand your question, you can either review a clip in the trimmer and create named "regions" with specific IO points (which you save and display/insert in explorer with a "regions view"), or use subclips to accomplish much the same thing. Review your manual re the trimmer and regions, how to create, save, and apply.
Hope this helps. Darryl
PeterWright wrote on 5/16/2004, 6:28 PM
Fit to fill 3 point:-

Drag to create a region representing your in and out points on the timeline. If there's a gap you wish to fill, double click the gap to create the region.

In the Trimmer select either:
In point then hit "A" or
Out point and hit "Shift A"

(acknowledgements to Gary Kleiner for revealing this method)
GordyHinky wrote on 5/16/2004, 6:50 PM
Thanks Peter. I already knew of this method.. But if the source media is too short it does not give you the option to "fit to fill", meaning change clip speed. Is the only way to do this manually buy control dragging the clip?

Plus please explain why the 'region" moves down the timeline after I insert the event and why it doesn't go back to it's original position why I "undo".

And more importantly on top of that can you answer my other question; the "loop region" (which I mistakenly took for monitor or timline in and out points) MOVES after inserting or overwriting media. And I can't seem to understand how to use the I and O keys in both the trimmer and the timeline while the video is playing. When I hit the I and O while the video is playing it does in fact mark them in the trimmer but I cannot then insert them because the space isn't grayed, so I have to manually do this with the mouse. Same applies for the timeline.
GordyHinky wrote on 5/16/2004, 6:54 PM
Dgrob, I think you're confused by my question. Your suggestion doesn't seem to apply .
PeterWright wrote on 5/16/2004, 7:18 PM
Gordy, I'll attempt to answer some of your other points, but this involves some guesswork rather than knowledge!

If you choose to select a clip that's too short for the gap you've already made, it's very hard for Vegas to guess what you want to do about it! As it is, you have the choice of stretching it or closing the gap, or filling it with something else.

I'm not sure why the region moves on down the line - I would guess it defaults that way ready for your next insertion. Backspace will get your previous region back

Regarding your I and O question, I really don't know anything about this - I never edit that way, so hopefully someone who knows will help.
rmack350 wrote on 5/16/2004, 11:00 PM
I've never seen "fit to fill" and find it hard to believe that doing an automatic time stretch to fill an area would be a "standard". If Vegas did this without my explicitly telling it to, I'd be complaining

Not that I want to defend the Vegas trimmer either. It's a blunt instument.

If you've got a manual you should read the trimmer section to get a rundown of how it's expected to work.

To select the chosen loop region in the trimmer or timeline use shift+L (you find this info if you right click up around the IO markers). You can also double-click that area but I find this doesn't always do what I expect.

The I/O points really are I/O points. The region between is the loop region. Are your hairs split yet?

I have no idea why the region jumps after an insert from the trimmer. Doesn't seem useful but you can get the selection area back with the backspace key.

Otherwise, you can create regions or subclips in the trimmer. They do different things.

Unfortunately, I don't see a way to select a region and then put it on the timeline directly from the trimmer (and that is probably not standard).

Rob Mack
Grazie wrote on 5/16/2004, 11:38 PM
. . sorry Rob had to larf! . " It's a blunt instument. " . . .
rmack350 wrote on 5/17/2004, 10:16 AM
Well, a bluntcutting instrument, anyway. Yeah, it's dry, dry humor.

The only other trimmer I've been exposed to is in M100. That one does quite a lot-applies mediaFX, speed changes, reverses, creates the still frames, creates the subclips, blah, blah, blah. In some ways it does too much-Vegas does stills much quicker-but it definitely gives a trimmer a reason for existing.

The whole point of a trimmer is to do things to media pool clips and subclips. It affects things in the bins instead of the timeline program. It should also make getting the new bin item onto the timeline easy (you shouldn't have to go off to the bins to get the region you just marked out in the trimmer).

Rob Mack
BrianStanding wrote on 5/17/2004, 12:04 PM
"Unfortunately, I don't see a way to select a region and then put it on the timeline directly from the trimmer (and that is probably not standard)."

...ummm, you mean aside from double-clicking the region in the trimmer and dragging it to the timeline? Seems pretty straightforward (and "standard") to me. I do it all the time.
rmack350 wrote on 5/17/2004, 1:30 PM
I stand very, very corrected and redfaced.

I guess I was grabbing the loop region bar instead of the media itself.

That was a couple of years ago. Since it didn't work, I gave up trying.

I still stubbornly and pigheadedly insist that the trimmer's the dullest knife in the Vegas drawer.

Rob Mack
BrianStanding wrote on 5/17/2004, 3:05 PM
That's O.K. No need to feel sheepish.

I once fired off several angry and testy posts about how Vegas should let you do fade-ins and fade-outs without having to mess with track-level transparency envelopes. Someone (I think it was jetdv) patiently pointed out to me what happens when you move your mouse over the top corner of an event....

I tried to delete as many of my former posts as I could, but I thnk a few survived as a monument to my ignorance.

(I diagree with you about the trimmer, by the way. I think it's pretty nifty. But that's another discussion.)