Why is Ripple Editing so clumsy?

PeterMac wrote on 3/4/2002, 9:38 AM
Does anyone have a favourite trick for ripple editing? If they do, I'd be pleased if they'd share it!
It seems to me that if I have two events on the timeline and want to trim the end of the first event, I should be able to use the mouse to drag the first event's right edge to the left. The second (and succeeding) events should all then move to the left pro rata to close up the gap.
This common task seems inordinately long-winded in Vegas?
There seems to be no shortcut keystrokes to move the cursor to the beginning or end of an event, something I would have thought would be the first priority for shortcuts as it's needed so much. You either have to select the bit of the event you want to remove, delete it and then delete the gap its deletion leaves; or, you have to mess around with Ctrl-T, after first selecting the part you do want to keep, which then only trims the Video event and not its audio partner.

Why is a program that is otherwise so slick, so clumsy at this?

-Pete

Comments

SonyEPM wrote on 3/4/2002, 9:55 AM
you can ripple edit several ways: mark in/out and delete that i/o selection- everything after will be moved up. Selection rules apply and can be complex, but if you have nothing or everything selected, everything will ripple.

You can also right click on an event and choose "Select all to end" This selects everything after the selected event, plus anything that was grouped with the first selected event, and everything after those group sibblings. This lets you drag-ripple. You might want to turn auto crossfade off when doing this (unless you want the overlappped events to crossfade)
PeterMac wrote on 3/4/2002, 11:08 AM
Exactly. It's not straightforward, is it?

I'm sure the internal architecture of Vegas precludes in some way [what I would call] the intuitive way of doing it, and doubtless makes other operations easier.
It's just that, typically, I ripple edit every clip I use and I have to say I've not yet hit a slick way of doing it in Vegas while on automatic pilot.
If only there were some key sequence of snapping to the edges of an event it would be a big help: I don't find a mouse very accurate for positioning for In/Out points.

Oh well.
CDM wrote on 3/4/2002, 11:25 AM
PeterMac -
I ripple edit all the time and I agree it takes a little getting used to but here are all the ways in which I do it:

First thing to note is no ripple editing will occur unless you create a "time selection". A time selection is a non event oriented selection which highlights a period of time on the ruller toolbar and across all tracks. You can make one in a few ways: drag along the top of the ruler with the left-mouse button, double click on an event (or multiple events by double-clicking on the first event and dragging without lifting up the left mouse button - this will snap the selection to other event boundaries on the same track as the first event), or double click on space between two events.

So, with ripple editing turned on, the following will happen:
if you just want the events on a single track to ripple, you have to make sure to select only a time selection that affects that track. Double click on an event and delete and that will ripple that track only. Delete an empty time selection on that track, though, and all tracks will ripple by that amount because there is nothing to isolate it to that track only. To select a portion of an event with a time selection but only ripple that one track, make the selection and then ctrl-click on the event on the track you want to ripple. That should only ripple that one track. Following me? To make sure you ripple the whole project (all tracks) if you want to select the length of time of an event on a certain track, double click on the event and then ctrl-click the event to essentially "unselect" it and make it affect all tracks.

You really have to just do a little experimenting, but you'll get the hang of it. I hope we will get event edge trim rippling, like Pro Tools, at some point, though.

Good luck.
kkolbo wrote on 3/4/2002, 12:00 PM
The surprizing thing for me was having come from pinnacle products that do ripple the way you request is how I feel about it now. At first I missed the ripple edit. Then I started planning my projects a little different so that I wasn't always fudging the edit. I then got int the habit of using the 'select events to end' and manually sliding. What I found out was that not having ripple edit the way pinnacle did it was better for me. I was constantly fighting the ripple when I didn't want stuff to shift. With SF and a little change in method I know have the choice and it works for me. It did take some getting used to at first though.

Chienworks wrote on 3/4/2002, 12:49 PM
Ctrl-Alt-arrows will move the cursor to the beginning/end of events.

I was a little confused at first because it often seemed that i needed to do this three times to move to the next event, but i finally realized what was happening. The cursor is positioned to the boundry of any event, either audio or video. Some of the clips i've captured have the audio just slightly shorter than the video. The first Ctrl-Alt-Right arrow moves to the end of the audio event, the next one moves to the end of the video event, and the third moves to the beginning of the next clip.

This shortcut also stops at all transition boundries as well.
FadeToBlack wrote on 3/4/2002, 1:51 PM
PeterMac wrote on 3/4/2002, 2:15 PM
Thanks everyone for the tips. You certainly gave me some ideas. Now all I have to do is adopt (adapt?)

Don't any of you though, miss Premiere's split screen effect where you can see in real-time the two edges of the jump cut as you drag the mouse?

-Pete
PeterMac wrote on 3/4/2002, 2:33 PM
Ctrl-Alt-arrows are slightly confusing - to me anyway!

When you have virgin clips/events on the timeline, they do work as described. But, it appears that using these keys on a trimmed clip moves the cursor first to the end of the visible portion, then to the end of the actual clip/event. If the next clip's leading edge has also been trimmed, it can look as if the keys have stopped working: you have to keep pounding away until the cursor finally moves into the visible realms again !

This seems to be similar to the phenomenon you describe, but my audio clips are definitely the same length as their video counterparts.

-Pete