Will there ever be support for 3rd party plugs ?

dasomen wrote on 11/5/2002, 11:18 AM
Hi, I'd like to know if there will ever be support for 3rd party plugs ? i mean, a host for premiere plugs, and/or after effects plugs... like elastic gasket (http://www.profoundeffects.com/products/gasket/) does for Avid Xpress...

I think that Vegas Video is way better than premiere... but it's lack of 3rd party plugs made it a second option at the time of doing a visual richer video...

I know there are creators like pixelan that are making compatible plugs for Vegas Video, but there are 99% of them who aren't.

I hope the developer team of Vegas Video take this into consideration. I don't know if other users agree with me.

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Chienworks wrote on 11/5/2002, 11:59 AM
The support has already been there for a long time:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step1.asp?CatID=15

It's getting developers to write versions of their plugs for SonicFoundry applications that is taking some time. There are several plugs in development right now by a few users of this forum. Do a search for "satish" to get some good commentary.
BillyBoy wrote on 11/5/2002, 12:09 PM
Third party plug-ins, how-to books, videos and the like depend in part on the preceived success of the product they are written for. It has little to do with how "good" the application is, rather more on market share.

Premiere has been around a lot longer than Vegas Video and is produced by a much larger company, Adobe. So major third party software houses write plug-ins first for such a product, probably because there is a larger market, real or imagined. Also keep in mind that Premiere needs "help" in the form of plug-ins because out of the box it don't do as much or do it as well as Vegas Video does. As Vegas Video builds market share more third party plug-ins will be written for it.

It really boils down to economics. It takes a lot of time and money to develop good software. You develop for products that are going to give you the chance to attract the most potential customers first. Then if your product is accepted then you may support other products or write a version for other platforms.

If Sonic Foundy had the advertising budget Microsoft has, it probably would already be the number one selling video editing application. I think it is the best, feature wise. Most that use it probably agree. To build market share you got to nibble away at someone else's market share. That takes time and money.
Former user wrote on 11/5/2002, 1:53 PM
I would LOVE to see BorisFX working with Vegas. Now that would make one heck of a match!
FadeToBlack wrote on 11/5/2002, 1:59 PM
rextilleon wrote on 11/5/2002, 2:14 PM
Gary---You guys are great---I am having great fun with WinMorph and I can't wait to see what you come up with now-----Keep up the great work--You and Satish are great assets to the Vegas community. We all you much!
Former user wrote on 11/5/2002, 2:48 PM
Well, I certainly appreciate the effort.

Right now I use Speed Razor for complex, short form projects and if it wasn't for BorisFX I wouldn't even bother opening SR. I understand the folks at Artelsoft can only support so many platforms, but even they should realize that Sonic Foundry isn't a fly by night outfit and that throwing in their support with a VV version of Boris would be a win-win deal. Of course, maybe a plugin developer might be a little reluctant to offer a plugin that costs more than the host application ;-)
FadeToBlack wrote on 11/5/2002, 3:22 PM
DataMeister wrote on 11/5/2002, 9:33 PM
I wonder if some of the plug in problems are the same that keep vegas from being a hardware accelerated application.

JBJones
Wondering wrote on 11/6/2002, 3:07 AM
Has anyone noticed the price of VV3 as compared to the rest; competing NLE, plug-ins, ...etc.???

VV3 being the host application is always 'cheaper' than the rest.
Imagined earning more $$$ in selling plug-ins as compared to selling VV3, it's no wonder that NOBODY wants to work with SF.

Who, in the right frame of mind, would want to 'kill' their golden goose?

The answer is obvious, ....

Regards
PDB wrote on 11/6/2002, 3:50 AM
Well if we were to follow normal marketing dinamics where demand generates response, why don't we join forces and tell developers we are as individuals potential customers: how many of us are there by the way?? If it a question of numbers, lets give them a sound base to work out profit levels and see if they still turn there noses up to Vegas Users...

well it was just an idea...
rextilleon wrote on 11/6/2002, 11:19 AM
I think it is a bit more scientific then that---I am sure that Vegas sales statistics are aviable to developers and they dont see a large enough base to invest capital in development---I think that the best we can do is encourage people to buy Vegas and increase the customer base----
John_Cline wrote on 11/6/2002, 2:59 PM
I think you all may be approaching it from the wrong direction. Wouldn't it be easier if Sonic Foundry just added the code to Vegas that would support Premiere and After Effects plug-ins?

John
Chienworks wrote on 11/6/2002, 3:51 PM
I believe the issue with SonicFoundry's plugin structure is that they designed a plugin interface that was much simpler, more generic, and more extensible. Ideally, it should be easier to write plugins for Vegas than for the competing products. However, it still requires additional development effort for plug developers and not many of them feel the effort is worth the perceived market share.
PAW wrote on 11/7/2002, 4:17 PM
Hello GG/Satish,

How is it looking on the new plug-in?

Regards, Paul
FadeToBlack wrote on 11/7/2002, 4:31 PM
wcoxe1 wrote on 11/7/2002, 4:37 PM
" I am trying to make my decision on what type of effects users will want to create most often."

Might I suggest that you put them ALL in. There are NEVER enough closets, and there are never enough plug ins. If it means adding more as they are perfected, we can handle it. Please, don't cut down. I assure you we will all be happy to upgrade to get THE REST of them.
FadeToBlack wrote on 11/7/2002, 4:52 PM
PAW wrote on 11/7/2002, 5:00 PM

may the force be with you
SHTUNOT wrote on 11/7/2002, 11:18 PM
" I am trying to make my decision on what type of effects users will want to create most often."

Why not post a BETA so that "users" can be vocal about what THEY like and dislike about what you are doing. 300 heads are better than two. Later.
PDB wrote on 11/8/2002, 3:53 AM
My feelings vis-a-vis Satish/GG efforts...
1)WHATEVER the pluggin will do will be great!
2)I can't begin to thank you two for your generosity in dedicating time and effort to developing plug-ins to enhance VV for the benefit of all..I wish I had the knowledge and ability to contribute like you do...hopefully with time...
3)THANK YOU for WinMorph!!
4) I would never dream of asking for a delivery date...but I confess I'm as impatient as any...!
5) If you ever make it to Barcelona, Spain, dinner is on me!

FadeToBlack wrote on 11/8/2002, 6:13 AM
David_Kuznicki wrote on 11/8/2002, 6:37 AM
I'm sorry-- forgive me for my ignorance! But... what is WinMorph?

David.