Windows 7 64-bit Quicktime stutter playback

TonyBoyV wrote on 3/29/2011, 9:34 PM
My computer specs are as followed:

Windows 7 64-bit
12GB of RAM
Nvidia graphics card with CUDA
AMD Phenom II x6 1090T processor
1TB hard drive

I do all my motion graphics and effects in Adobe After Effects CS5, and I export them out as a .MOV file, or quicktime file. When I import it into Sony Vegas Pro 10c, the playback is very choppy and the video stutters. It also seems like .MOV files slow down Vegas to the point where the editing software lags and stalls. I just recently system recovered my computer with factory settings and installed the latest version of quicktime, but the playback stutters in vegas as well as when trying to watch the clip with the quicktime player. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you very much.

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musicvid10 wrote on 3/30/2011, 9:28 AM
You didn't say what kind of Quicktime MOV file. There are as many flavors as there are jelly beans in a 5 gallon jar.

If you will post your complete file specs as reported by MediaInfo, along with your Vegas Project Properties and Preview Properties, someone may be able to assist you.
TonyBoyV wrote on 3/30/2011, 12:44 PM
Sorry about that musicvid. The type of quicktime MOV file that I render out in After Effects CS5 is an "animation" type of quicktime MOV file. I also render out a "PHOTO JPEG" quicktime MOV file from time to time as well.

The project template that I use is: HD 1080-24p (1920 x 1080, 23.976 fps) and the preview is the same.

I shoot with a Sony PMW-EX1r and my computer specs should be more than enough to handle editing HD footage and these specific Quicktime files as the PC is brand new. Hopefully I provided enough information for someone to help me and please let me know if I can provide any other information to help sort this problem out as I am on deadline. Thank you very much.
musicvid10 wrote on 3/30/2011, 6:08 PM
The project template that I use is: HD 1080-24p (1920 x 1080, 23.976 fps) and the preview is the same.
Is it a safe assumption that is exactly what you are rendering out of Adobe?

You just don't have a good intermediate for editing. If you are looking for a free solution, Avid DNxHD 2.3.2 is your friend.

Animation is "practically" uncompressed (prehistoric RLE compression) and JPEG is lossy. It's best to avoid anything that uses the QT lib for decoding in Vegas.

DNxHD is much better compression than Animation, better quality than JPEG, and more efficient than either.

If you are looking for a more elegant solution and don't mind paying for it, Cineform is at the top of the heap. You can download a trial version.

[EDIT] Quicktime Player is probably the most inefficient available for Windows.
robwood wrote on 3/30/2011, 8:32 PM
i have a different opinion but i'm gonna try to organize my comments before posting...

0) in answer to your question 1st, i'd suggest uncompressed AVI. i'm not sure why this wasn't already mentioned. Anyway if you're a PC try AVI for smoothest playback... just like on a Mac you should use QT.

1) there is nothing wrong with PhotoJPEG, unless u lower the quality % setting too much. Art Beats uses it to distribute their media; i've used the codec for 4 years and tested it over multiple generations. HOWEVER if there's any evidence to the contrary please tell me: this topic matters to me.

2) Animation codec is industry standard and used everywhere... especially short films* and motion graphics work... it ain't going anywhere for a long time yet.

3) If you're having problems with Animation codec playback, i would expect them to increase using DNxHD; Avid's codec is not gonna be easier on your CPU than Ani. it's made for exporting and archiving (in my opinion!)... i don't find DNxHD very edit-friendly; then again i don't edit much camcorder footage and when i do i prefer source than an intermediate.



* tho to be fair i just finished encoding another short for SIGGRAPH this morning and instead of Animation codec, this time i chose DNxHD (it was ultimately an SD vs HD decision not a codec one)
musicvid10 wrote on 3/30/2011, 9:20 PM
You are welcome to a different opinion; here is mine:

0) Uncompressed (.any extension) doesn't play back worth a s**t.
1) Render JPEG to multiple generations and see what you get. Compare that to DNxHD or Cineform or ProRes 422 (which Vegas won't accept) or Huffy or Lagarith or Sony YUV or Helix or MC and compare the results at the fifth generation.
2) Please provide some documentation of any RLE compression being "industry standard." Hopefully, from some date after 1994.
3) "Source" is irrelevant with the OP's question (AE). However, Animation is one step better than uncompressed. Acknowledged.

rob, although I respect your pov, there are more playable decodes than Animation or Uncompressed. That is why we have choices like Cineform, and DNxHD, and ProRes, and that is their raison d'etre.
TonyBoyV wrote on 3/31/2011, 4:29 AM
Rob,

I tried uncompressed AVI and imported it into Sony Vegas Pro 10 and it seems to playback just fine, and no loss of quality. So am I going to have to use AVI from now on to export out of After Effects, or will the Animation codec be good as well? To be honest, the reason why I chose to render out as an "Animation" type of quicktime file is because Andrew Kramer recommended that format in one of his tutorials and stated that "quicktime is easy to use, and for the most part is a good way to render your videos." Also, just playing back .MOV files in general seems to stutter and I don't know why. Any more advice would be appreciated and thank you guys for your help so far.

[EDIT] By the way, Andrew Kramer was on a PC during that tutorial and when he stated that recommendation.