Workflow for ProDad Marcelli 4.0 Standalone

BrianK wrote on 4/8/2018, 5:23 PM

Using this standalone requires a separate render. Should I stabilize and render in Marcelli first and then bring the video into Vegas for further editing (and then render again), or edit and render in Vegas first, bring the rendered video into Marcelli to stabilize, and render again in Marcelli?

Any workflow (and render setting )suggestions would be appreciated.

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Dexcon wrote on 4/9/2018, 5:52 AM

My workflow is to stabilise and render each video event in Mercalli 4 SAL, rendering to a specially named sub-folder in the project folder on the D drive. I then bring those events onto the VP timeline to a video track named Mercalli.

Using this method, the stabilisation settings in Mercalli can be tailored to suit the stabilisation required for that shot. For example, using the Rock Steady Camera setting would often be the choice where the shot is reasonably static and you are trying to achieve a tripod steady look; but Rock Steady Camera would not likely work successfully if you are just trying to steady a moving shot or panning/tilting/zooming camera shot.

I think that's where your second approach (stabilising the final rendered edit from VP) would not likely work as the Mercalli settings would then be global, applying to all shots in the project, thus not being tailored to the idiosyncrasies of each individual shot. An exception could possibly be where the entire production to be stabilised consists of similar shots such as "talking heads", and stabilisation is really being used as a tidy up.

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BrianK wrote on 4/10/2018, 2:49 PM

Thank you. This makes sense to me. The video I have in mind was shot of a relatively static subject from a monopod with a telephoto lens. (I’m just not as steady as I used to be.).

Do you prefer a particular codec on your render from Marcelli, e.g., ProRes, etc.?

 

Dexcon wrote on 4/11/2018, 4:07 AM

My original footage is 4K AVCHD (8 bits) from a Sony AX100 camera. In Mercalli 4, I render to AVC/H264 (mp4) at the recommended 'medium' setting. I recall from a ProDad tutorial (or the like) years ago, maybe for Mercalli 3, that ProDad's testing showed no discernable quality difference between the medium and high render settings other than a much larger file size with 'high'.

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Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz