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Videoon 9/14/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
Should have learned? Have learned, the hard way. By being burnt. What that means for Vegas? My hesitant willingness to spend those $ for those bundles. Even though I want to support the business. Can I trust the ethics of this business align with my way of thinking? Not sure. I guess future actions will tell.
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Videoon 9/14/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
That is what I said all the time. An external supplier like proDAD cannot gurantee something for the future of Vegas, since they do not have that in their hands. @Wolfgang S., whilst an external supplier might not be able to guarantee future functionality with the host, they Do already know if their current plugin version is indeed locked to a specific host version or not, hence certainly will not work witch a future version. I'm no programmer, but since other plugins still work, I would assume, as long as you adhere to OFX API revision guidelines, you should be fairly safe to say that your plugin will work with a different (updated) host. What happened with ProDAD with VP14, my guess is, they saw an opportunity for future revenue when a future Vegas version would be released, which was about a year's time. But I guess they asked Magix to fork out some extra $$ for licensing, and I assume Magix wasn't keen, hence the no-show inVP15, and customers hanging dry and taken randsome instead. For my part, 2 things would need to happen for this 'annual trialware' business to disappear: 1. Transparency and full Disclosure for OFX products at Point-of-sale whether they are version locked or not, and 2. A better commitment from Magix, if they plug their programming deficiencies with 3rd party software, then they also should continue supporting this software until they have an inhouse solution for the problem (ie. better native titler, stabilization, etc..) only then should the3rd party be dropped. I could even imagine a 'pledge-based option-model' for native plugins: pay Magix reduced $ for a particular plugin development in advance, and own/unlock it as a 'pay-extra-for' option for the rest of your life once it becomes a reality.
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Videoon 9/14/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
So how do I install the Boris Continuum 3D objects? Anyone got any ideas please. @paul-priestley, if you have difficulties with the install I would recommend a different separate thread or a customer support ticket. This thread is dedicated to a different issue and thus might not be seen by people with similar problems than you have
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Videoon 9/14/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
official ProDAD response: wenn Sie über proDAD kaufen, dann besteht der Support auch für künftige Versionen von Vegas weiter, sofern Vegas weiter Mercalli unterstützt. Da das nicht unser Produkt ist kann ich das heute nicht bestätigen. Ich gehe aber von einer Weiterentwicklung von Vegas aus. today.
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Videoon 9/14/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
Current ProDAD website 'special' says: Upgrade von Vegas 14 Pro Mercalli V4 Bundle auf Mercalli V4 SUITE Vegas So, the only thing we really know is the price (EUR 99 = approx $150 AUD), and, that this 'Upgrade' is obviously restricted to Vegas14 Pro users. I guess, if you are (like me) considering to skip this episode of Vegas, in the next round - next year, you wouldn't be eligible for this 'special' anymore, since I would be upgrading from 14 -> 16, and would have to buy the complete plugin version from scratch. I have put the question if this version is limited to VP15 exclusively, awaiting reply. @JackWhite, could you be bothered trying to find out from Boris Cust Support if this version is Host-Locked ('Vegas') or Version-locked? (VP15)? Strange that Magix doesn't seem to know..You would think that they are in charge of what works with their software.., na?
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Videoon 9/13/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
I make it a point to never use any of the bundled stuff, been burned too many times finding I can't edit a project in one version of VP that I created in another version using a "free" bundled product. hasn't been 'Free'. You pay for it. +$$ for 'Pro', +$$$ for 'Suite'. Don't forget, this is important.
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Videoon 9/13/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
When you purchase a subscription to a magazine for example, you can still read all those that you have received. But if your subscription has ended, you won't get those new ones. I don't think that's unusual or misleading. What is misleading is that if, when I purchase a bundled product, the 'bundle' doesn't remain functional/updated with the next version. Problem is, yes, I can go back and use the old plugins in the old Vegas, but who's to say that this roundtrip is compatible? It's usually a one-way street only, lower versions can usually only be imported into newer versions.
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Videoon 9/12/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
But the customers in your business example will not pay about $ 200 only a year very likely. My personal threshold for an annual Vegas 'subscription update' is about that..$ 200. That's what it's worth to me, after the initial outlay, to continue supporting the ongoing feature develoment, yes. But Not for a relatively simple plugin, like Mercalli. ProDAD would be better off maintaining its customer base through VP15, and when they have a meaningful update to Mercalli V5.0, offer an upgrade path to that version. Everbody will understand once they have a new current version, the previous one will be unsupported (end-of-life cycle). What does that mean in the long term? More happy customers, more income and subscriptions for ProDAD, more ongoing business and future for everyone.
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Videoon 9/12/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
will a software add enough value to my to spend the Money for it? That is true for Vegas but also each of the plugins Under normal circumstances I would reasonably expect a future software revision to maintain plus improve on its functionality. Unfortunately with VP14/15, we lost AC3 encoding capability. Is it reasonable to expect 'money back' for not having this encoder? Is bundled software worth investing if it becomes obsolete in an annual update cycle?
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Videoon 9/12/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
. Die gekauften Lizenzen gelten nur für Vegas 14. Jetzt schrieb ich Ihnen, das es in Kürze ein Upgrade geben wir, wo Sie Lizenzen für Mercalli v4 Stabilizr und CMOS Fix für Vegas 15 erwerben können. Wenn Sie dieses Upgrade erwerben, dann gelten diese Lizenzen auch für künftige Versionen von Vegas, sofern Unterstützung von beiden Seiten weiter besteht. Für Sie kann es nur über das kommende Upgrade gehen, Ihre alten Lizenzen, die in Vegas 14 funktionierten, gelten darin natürlich weiter, jedoch nicht in VEGAS 15. Es gibt hier keine andere Möglichkeit. Jeder Vegas 14 Kunde mit Mercalli v4 Stabilizr und CMOS Fix muss diesen Weg des Upgrades gehen, wenn es in Vegas 15 aktiviert werden quote ProDAD customer service.
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Videoon 9/12/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
but if you stay with Vegas Pro 14, why should you invest in a full version of a plugin that continues to to work with your old Vegas Pro 14 license? @Wolfgang S., The NewBlue Tilter deal with VP14 was dodgy. What we got was a 2-versions-behind the actual current version 5. Didn't even see That One coming. No problem with making a 'special' restricted PRO (!) Express version, that doesn't do much, but this thing never really worked and was defacto unsupported until the very end of VP14 lifespan..I was expecting am upgrade to Titler5 'Express' but NO, Titler just has vanished, GONE in its entirety like everything else in the youbeaut packeage deal bargains... Funny thing is, Titler 5 upgrade (from Newblue direct) works with 15. And 14. Perhaps even 16 when it comes out next year?? So does Version 4.0 of Mercalli Stabilizr, IF you had that one purchased 'standalone'. This version already exists. It is not the version, it's about the license. This seems to be all about corporate greed and licensing, and while I understand that everyone needs to make money, I understand that, but I don't like being taken hostage of, sorry. These restrictions are deliberate and not because of a major code rewrite. I was happy to pay some reasonable $$ for a Vegas update, but now, sorry, I'm reconsidering my options.
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Videoon 9/11/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
Here's the official response from Magix Customer Service: The plugins are only for the version with wich one you have purchased it. It can be possible that some plugins can use in a newer version. For example the pro DAD programs can't use in a newer version. That pretty much confirms: Don't expect your bundled products to work with any future Version of Vegas. On my part, this means the end of investing in Magix bundled software, as this is throwing money out the window. Sorry Magix, you had your chance. I was going to support your ongoing product development. But This money is now going directly to the plugin manufacturer. In case of the recent VP15 'upgrade', I will refrain from purchasing VP15 entirely, and spend my money solely on a real full version of NewBlueTitler5, which will likely work in VP16, same time next year.
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Videoon 9/9/2017
Vegas Pro 15 - Mercalli v4 kein Teil mehr von Vegas?
die kommende 'upgrade' version 'Mercalli V4.0 fuer Vegas15' wird man sich kaufen mussen. Kannst davon ausgehen das diese Version wahrscheinlich wieder nur fuer V15 funktioniert (eine 'offizielle' funktionierende V 4.0 gibts ja schon..man muesste ja nur die lizenzen verteilen..)
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Videoon 9/7/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
But this is a user forum, and none of the user nore the moderators can tell you that - since they simply do not know. I would have thought Moderators would be somewhat affiliated with Vegascreativesoftware and can thus deliver some insights, as in a client-manufacturer feedback loop? Anyway, if this can't be answered here I guess I can try to get a support ticket and try to find out from Vegas customer service desk directly.. tba
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Videoon 9/6/2017
Proliferation of VP Bundled Software Products?
typically bundled products are cheaper (= you pay less) Yes, whilst this is true, the reason for this is the solely the willingness of the Third Party supplier to quickly offload a multitude of licenses in a one-off transaction, obviously for a bulk price, similar to selling their product to a distributor which then will get their cut. This also gives the Third Party exposure to a wider market, and thus more potential future clients (for updates and other products). Don't forget, you can also get multi-desk licenses for VP, which also make the product cheaper. The argument of 'cheaper' shouldn't indicate restricted use such as purchasing a special, like VP14, at a fire sale (black friday) does not contain any restrictions compared to the full price version. that would be a bet against unknown technical changes in an undefined future application. No supplier will be willing to guarantee that (and that is what you ask for), I think it would be naive to expect any software version to work forever, and I don't do that. The OS can change and throw up hurdles or allow more efficient coding, the internal structure of a package can change (remember: name change from 'Sony' to 'Vegas' delivered a broken NewBlue Titler for the majority of it's life span), etc. However, like my Office 2007 still runs fine on my laptop that originally came with my (then) Win7 machine,which now runs Win10, there is the legitimate expectation: "Why shouldn't it be working when I see it can be working..being the same version". ProDAD has decided because of commercial greed to throw an artificial block in the road, and that's a business practice I find unethical. This is an attempt to double dip from clients to re-buy a license they already have for a specific version of a product. If Magix knew that this was going to happen, and deliberately withheld that information, then, in my opinion, they are guilty of misconduct too. I just want to know if it's 'reasonably safe' to invest in bundleded products, or if this is becoming an auto-expiring annual third-party subscription junket
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Videoon 9/4/2017
Vegas Pro 15 - Mercalli Stabilizer v4 missing?
The conversation with proDAD confirms only, that the bundled Mercalli version works only with VP14 as it was promised. That you have not purchased the rights that it works with VP15 too. [..] where was that disclaimer: '*) Bundled software might loose functionality in future software version releases'. I went reading through EULAs, user agreements (magic and prodad) and historic website product comparisons and could NO WHERE find such information. This would have been important information that could have modified someone's 'Bundle Product' purchase decision. Imagine: you purchase 'Suite' today with U$400 of extras, knowing, that it could not work in a year when VP17 comes out (with hopefully an AC3 encoder)..hmmm..
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Videoon 9/4/2017
Vegas Pro 15 - Mercalli Stabilizer v4 missing?
Thanks @Nick Hope to allow me to share this; My interest is in resolving this issue in the nicest possible way, for everyone affected; I must admit that frustration has built over time, but I shall try to focus on the relevant information. Here's the continuation of the [somewhat tedious] conversation with the ProDAD customer support manager [WOT warning]: He: You can´t use Mercalli v4 and CMOS Fixr from Vegas 14 in the new Vegas 15 version for free. Your activation codes are working only in Vegas 14. You need a Upgrade of Mercalli V4 Stabilizr and CMOS Fixr to Vegas 15. We have next time a Upgrade here: [link] Me: When I purchased VP14 I also purchased a license for Mercalli V4 and CMOS Fixr, I have a valid serial number.I’m happy to de-authorize the activation for VP14 in order to use the same Version 4 (this is not an upgrade) in VP15.Will I be able to do this? I have purchased this version (from another supplier) He: do you use Mercalli V4 from the Vegas 14 version? Or did you buy Mercalli v4 and CMOS Fixr separately. Then you can use this version in Vegas 15 again. You need only for the Vegas 14 bundle version with Mercalli V4 a Upgrade. Me: Yes this was purchased as a package, being a part from VP14 bundle. This VP14 package was extra $$ because it included Mercalli and CMOS fixr. I am not changing the version 4, this should be working wherever version 4 is working. This is not an upgrade. He: you can not activate your bundled Mercalli V4 for Vegas 14 version in Vegas 15. You need a Upgrade of Mercalli V4 for VEGAS 15, that we have next days. Me: I hope you are providing this free of charge Uwe, are you planning to do this? He: for free was the Mercalli V4 bundle version in Vegas Pro 14. I think the Upgrade is not for free. Me: Strictly speaking the bundled version wasn't free, because the bundle cost more than the base version. You are talking about an upgrade, but this is still the same version 4, so, strictly speaking this is not an upgrade? Was Magix aware that the supplied version was 'locked' to VP14? Because I (as a customer purchasing the bundle) wasn't, until now, that this problem surfaces, only a year after He: you can activate and work with the bundle version of Mercalli V4 Stabilizr and CMOS Fixr in VEGAS 14. You have these 2 licenses for activation. But these codes are working only in VEGAS 14 and not in Vegas 15. Me: I'm happy to de-activate my purchased license for Mercalli 4 and Cmos fixr for VP14 in order to continue using this current version 4 in VP15. Was Magix aware of this restriction? My latest response (sent this morning after a semi sleepless night): When I purchased my laptop 5 years ago, it came with a Windows 7 and office 2007 license. I since upgraded Windows via 8 to 10, and Office 2007 still works fine on my machine. The point I am trying to make is: I have purchased a license key to use your Mercalli & CMOS software Ver4 with the VEGAS host, I have paid MAGIX money for that key, and I would like to continue to use it with Vegas. MAGIX has probably purchased bulk licenses from you, like a wholesaler would, and used that financial benefit and added feature set to attract customers, to help sell their product, VP. Where does it state in your EULA or elsewhere that your Mercalli V4 is locked to VP14 only? Your product help file (5.) Supported Video Programs - states compatibility with Vegas Pro, Magix, Edius and Corel Video Studio only. I can already purchase your Version 4 on your website which will work fine with VP15, but I already own Version 4, so why should I buy it again? My current version 4 {Mercalli 4.0.471.1 } simply needs to be updated to the same version like the one you are distributing right now. I am not asking for a free update to Version 5. Other 3rd party manufacturer’s plugins are still working fine in VP15, so I don’t see why yours should be an exception. Thanks for listening,
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Videoon 9/4/2017
VEGAS Pro 15 build 177 General Discussion
I don't have a Vegas 14 license, but I was wondering, can you take advantage of ProDAD's upgrade path using the bundled Mercalli license? They have a box to enter a license code on this page: https://www.prodad.com/Video-Stabilization-for-Professionals/Mercalli-V4-Plugins-for-Vegas-29796,l-us.html The price on that is only $99 from what I can see, so if it works it might make a cost reduced avenue for getting around the license locking issue. this doesn't work. it returns an error code 'serial invalid'. Customer Service has informed they are working on an 'update' /edit: the 'Mercalli Saga' continues in another thread here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-15-mercalli-stabilizer-v4-missing--108353/#ca668608
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Videoon 9/4/2017
VEGAS Pro 15 build 177 General Discussion
Problem with those 'licence conditions' is that they're not really obvious when you commit to your purchase of say VP14 'bundle' or 'suite'. No one actually will tell you that your $$$-worth of plugins might not work a year or less after purchase with the next software upgrade (for exact numbers see post above..)
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Videoon 9/4/2017
VEGAS Pro 15 build 177 General Discussion
But why is the Edit version no option? It's the same Vegas Pro feature set. Minus extra software and plugins worth $$,
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Videoon 9/4/2017
VEGAS Pro 15 build 177 General Discussion
you loose $$ titler, $$ mercalli $$ cmos fixr etc etc. $$DVD thingo..not a good deal this 'update' sorry
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Videoon 9/4/2017
Vegas Pro 15 - Mercalli Stabilizer v4 missing?
Hello, do you use Mercalli V4 from the Vegas 14 version? Or did you buy Mercalli v4 and CMOS Fixr separately. Then you can use this version in Vegas 15 again. You need only for the Vegas 14 bundle version with Mercalli V4 a Upgrade. with kind regards [redacted] Customer Support Manager reply: Yes this was purchased as a package, being a part from VP14 bundle. This VP14 package was extra $$ because it included Mercalli and CMOS fixr. I am not changing the version 4, this should be working wherever version 4 is working. This is not an upgrade. Kind regards, ..what does Magix customer service think of this?
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Videoon 9/4/2017
Vegas Pro 15 - Mercalli Stabilizer v4 missing?
Hello, Thanks for your request. You can´t use Mercalli v4 and CMOS Fixr from Vegas 14 in the new Vegas 15 version for free. Your activation codes are working only in Vegas 14. You need a Upgrade of Mercalli V4 Stabilizr and CMOS Fixr to Vegas 15. We have next time a Upgrade here: https://www.prodad.com/Video-Stabilization-for-Professionals/Mercalli-V4-Plugins-for-Vegas-29796,l-us.html with kind regards [redacted] Customer Support Manager Thanks for your reply. When I purchased VP14 I also purchased a license for Mercalli V4 and CMOS Fixr, I have a valid serial number. I’m happy to de-authorize the activation for VP14 in order to use the same Version 4 (this is not an upgrade) in VP15. Will I be able to do this? I have purchased this version (from another supplier)
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Videoon 9/4/2017
Vegas Pro 15 - Mercalli Stabilizer v4 missing?
..Wonder how many +$400 extra-'Suite' or +$200 extra 'Pro' Versions Magix would sell IF it included the bespoke disclaimer on their sales website: '*) Bundled software might loose functionality in future software version releases' let's just think about that for a moment...
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