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Videoon 1/21/2023
Vegas 20 will not start and the desktop icon goes away
The installer says it has to remove the program before installation and it fails to do anything. If it's the same installation thing as I've experienced, while the uninstalltion progress bar is locked, go to the Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del) and under Background Processes, find any Vegas Pro entries (there's likely to be two) and End Task them. The uninstalltion progress bar should then resume. Also, I find that attempting to open Vegas Pro 20 from the desktop or taskbar icon doesn't always work. Again, delete any Vegas Pro entries in the Task Manager and then click on the VP icon again - VP should open This seems to happen much more often under Windows 11 that it did with earlier versions of Vegas Pro under Windows 10. Yeah, this needs a fix. It seems like the more I use Vegas, the more times I have to open it. I'm up to like 20+ instances before it will even start.
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Videoon 1/21/2023
VEGAS Pro 20: Next update PREVIEW
I'm glad to hear of the AI improvements. Rendering times are a bitch with any level of complexity at present.I also hope there will be functions for more RAM or VRAM utilization for those of us with fairly powerful CPUs and GPUs, so we can shave off even more time in renders.I also hope the difficulty in opening VP20 in Windows 11 is fixed. Many time I have to open the program a ridiculous number of times before it will start, sometimes I have to go into Task Manager and shut down all the multiple instances of Vegas around 20x before will one will even kick in. Very strange!
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Videoon 1/19/2023
Post Your VEGAS Creations!
This is my much commented on video that I did dramatic Colorization and Color Correction on. I decided to just go with my first render of the 256kbps audio instead of going any higher.
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Videoon 1/19/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
How many frames is it? Maybe 100. Anyway the first frame was good of the 2nd attempt at it was good and it only took about 10 mins to get.
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Videoon 1/19/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
I swear something must be up with my settings. I just tried to render an image sequence to create a title for the video that uses the Colorization effect, and it's projecting hours of render time. I could understand a video taking a while, but jpegs? Something is off.
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Videoon 1/18/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
Vegas will render all tracks (when not muted or solo-ed) between the blue brackets only (loop region) when in the render dialogue for render options "Render loop region only" is selected: Thank you!!!!
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Videoon 1/18/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
You have to create first a loop region for the part you want to render to a new track. That can be a single clip or just a range on your timeline. If you don't create a loop region, the whole timeline will be rendered to a new track. I would use a codec like Prores or XAVC for this purpose instead of highly compressed HEVC. Will VP only render the hightlighted track in that case? I do have the blue brackets around the intended area of the timelines I intend to render and the Colorization track in particular highlighted, but I'm getting the impression that VP's rendering all of the tracks besides the audio because I've selected "No Audio." I just have two extra video tracks for ending and beginning titles with normal effects and animation on them (under normal circumstances these render quickly).
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Videoon 1/16/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
Isn't easier to use the tool "render to new track" for this purpose? Finished complex parts of a project can be rendered in advance to new tracks (best with an almost lossless codec). Also previewing these prerendered complex parts will benefit. I'm trying to figure out how to do this correctly. I tried "Render to a new track" but it didn't let me select exactly what was being rendered. I started it with a lossless NVENC mp4 with no audio - the goal being to make an AVI with 24-bit audio (might try Voukouder alternatively) at a later stage, but it seemed to hit the bottleneck again and gave a projection of a long render time.I'm testing out "selectively prerender" now with the main "Colorized" track highlighted. It doesn't give me the option of lossless or not that I could see, but it start rendering things right away. I'm not sure exactly what it's doing tho . . . it seems to be making short snippets where parts of the video (titles) etc overlap . . .
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Videoon 1/15/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
Not necessarily. I was talking about experience with VP20. I used VP17 extensively with my new computer incorporating loads of effects and had renders in minutes. So, colorization is likely the culprit as many have said. You didn't think that is what I said? I meant that I didn't know that colorization was the culprit per se.You never said anything directly, btw. I only get the impression that you inferred that my original assumption about colorization slowing down the render was correct.It's my first time using the AI effects. I came here for advice, not to be glowered upon.
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Videoon 1/15/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
These videos had 24 bit audio and 60fps but were only 2 mins long, they ended up being about 20GB and rendered in minutes flat. Yesterday - today, I rendered a 20+ min video with loads of video effects (Colorization being the only Advanced one) You have already answered your question in your first post. Not necessarily. I was talking about experience with VP20. I used VP17 extensively with my new computer incorporating loads of effects and had renders in minutes. So, colorization is likely the culprit as many have said. Isn't easier to use the tool "render to new track" for this purpose? Absolutely. Without doubt that's another option. This is likely the answer. I'm going to try it tonight.
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Videoon 1/15/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
colorization works on the CPU not GPU, it's very slow, do a test where you have it turned off. as for the adobe crap, I have it also, doesn't seem to cause a problem. You could try deoldify on a google notebook where it will use a server GPU for processing. Problem is mostly can only do short videos, possibly not 4K as if you use too many resources for too long, google will give the GPU to someone else. It's a paid service so it's like they're giving you a trial so understandable. How can i make Vegas utilize more CPU? It's only ever using like 5% CPU. Up the rendering threads?
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Videoon 1/15/2023
Rendering 20 min video with Magix AVC/AAC NVENC took over 18 hours?!
You seem to be conflating different things. If a 20 min. video is taking 18 hours it's unlikely the choice of encoder (Mainconcept, NVENC, QSV) or media decoder (QSV, NVDEC) is a significant factor- you have a massive bottleneck somewhere else. That somewhere else is likely the AI-enabled Fx you are using. I'd run some tests on just that. See if it's making use of your NVIDIA GPU in windows task manager/performance (it may not be). For NVENC I'd keep it set to default and pick a reasonable variable bitrate for the resolution and framerate of what you're trying to make. Intel iGPU decoders work well in Vegas so I would recommend setting it to that and keeping it there. Feel free to run some tests with a standard benchmark to give you an idea of how diff. encoders, etc. impacts performance. You won't have to wait more than a minute or two with this project. https://forms.gle/PCD4TT1ynEXKwpD17 Thank you for the advice. Usually I go for CBR since I've read that works better for most social network uploads . . . but I'll keep your pointers in mind. I did notice in my task manager that NVIDIA GEFORCE was running several processes, and I thought that was odd since I had no dynamic preview running during the render (I had carefully watched the video several times to make sure it looked to my satisfaction). I had no other active processes besides VP 20 running at the time, just background ones.I notice when I run stable diffusion all the time, I get messages that large resolutions are unavailable because there is only 2Gb or less available for it to use. I wonder if this has to do with having Adobe Creative Cloud on my PC . . .
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Videoon 1/15/2023
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
@Crowyote Have you gotten around to trying the upload option described here? https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/favorite-codecs-for-rendering-hq-quality-videos-with-24-bit-audio--137312/?page=1#ca858872 I actually just tried this for a longer video that I wanted to upload to Youtube, but I aborted once I realized it's an .mxf file. Unless Youtube has changed their codecs, I've always had mxf files blocked from uploads. I noticed the XAVC S Long format is .mp4, but it's only 16 bit audio, so why bother?
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Videoon 1/15/2023
Best GPU
Nvidia GeForce is likely more flexible since it has CUDA cores and all. I wish I could upgrade to that GPU!
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Videoon 10/8/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
@Crowyote Don't get too hung up on exact numbers. Definitely watch your peaks. The more you compress the audio the loudness range will be smaller. But that is highly dependent on the sound source. I agree with @Musicvid that a solo string instrument would sound terrible if you tried to match loudness of fully mastered EDM track. You would have to compress it to death. You should use dither when going down in audio bit depth. Let's say you record in 24 bits and you want to render to 16 bits. The dither affects mainly the most quiet parts. Chances are you would here no difference when listening. It adds low level (very low) noise to mask the quantization errors. Not true at all. You don't know my process at all. I use very little compression, and I'm a very dynamic player who often plays pretty close to the mic just below the level of clipping. Sometimes I use one in the loops of my stereo mic preamp, a very low mix Effectrode LA-1A pedal and/or another tube compressor with a light mix. I try to avoid lots of compression in mixing. I do use a considerable amount of imaging since I don't have an incredible space to record in at present.I rendered my latest track to 16 LUFS -1.2dbTP, and I was only able to get it down by adding a slight slope of compression to the bass and some tone contour on the highs (the guitar has an excessively bright almost harsh toned maple body) . It was getting to much higher levels like 15 LUFS -1 etc.https://crowyote.bandcamp.com/track/moonflower-dance-yaman-kalyanOf course you might not be able to tell with the mp3 player there. I should have the video ready in a week or so, so we'll have to see how it pans out when rendered. I'm hoping I can afford those harsh bursts and peaks that MUSICVID was referring to when it finishes up.
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Videoon 10/2/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
Type "Toneboosters Free" into a Google Search. Click on the first link that comes up. Scroll down the page to the link to the Software Updates Page. Click it. Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the Toneboosters 3 download package. At least that's how I found it... LRA stands for Loudness Range, also called Dynamic Range. For acoustic music, wouldn't you like it to be as great as possible without pushing one of the predetermined limits, such as True Peak or ILU? I think I would. @edoardo-l put up a really amazing 9dB LRA with rather conservative TP and ILU scores. Really Crowyote, all this stuff does is to set up a space to keep your loudness parameters within. You are not competing with overcompressed electronic guitar jams on Youtube, at least I hope not! If by some chance you are searching for a holy grail setting by micromanaging your meters, it means it's time to stop looking and listen. Best of success with your project. Nah, I'm just trying to get my tracks more in the target range so that the masters sound more like they would on YT or some other service that might adjust them. Like you said, there are lower levels that won't be affected by the "loudness penalty," and it's a learning process now that I've gotten used to one thing to bring them back down and leave some headroom. My genre (American Primitive Guitar) is generally a little more aggressive than Eduardo's and he's recording musicians in really wonderful acoustic spaces, a luxury I don't have. The current track I'm working on is ranging from 4.8LRA to about 18! I'm trying to get it to -16LUFS but not much luck keeping -2dbTP, I'll keep trying tho. I've been using Soundforge (don't laugh) v7 for years, mostly for the Statistics function. I run it on Vegas mixdowns and don't use it to edit anything, just to determine what adjustments I need to make in the Vegas mix. 1st I look at the channel peaks and generally aim for a max of -0.5 db. Then look at the rms values for each channel aiming for the same ballpark as other pieces out there in the same genre. Rock with screaming vocals will come in typically at around -10 to -12 db rms power which is pretty loud. For most of the Jazz piano stuff I shoot, I aim for -19 rms +/- 2 depending on if it's intended to be delicate or strident, tempo, etc. Here's what the Sony Red Car soundtrack which leans towards orchestral looks like in v7: Notice that there's a min and max peak for both channels to eyball with the overall peak being -2.2. Also notice there's a dc offset present which can cause overloads with filtering and eq... I avoid that like the plague. Just downloaded an SF 16 trial and this screen has gotten much better... it's got all the same info but continues on with a summary of actual peak (highest of min and max) for each channel and also adds a line for filtered rms without dc offset. It's also got the noise/pop/click reduction pack thrown in which is really quite excellent... the old Sony one I have cost almost as much as Sound Forge back then. For the catv market in the us that I also do stuff for, the requirement is that maximum peaks not exceed -6 db. So when I finish, lets say a song clip for YouTube as I've described above, I render another version for tv by throwing an audio FX onto the Vegas master slider (which happens to also exist in SF)... Wave Hammer Surround. Here's what the preset I use looks like: They could of just as well called it Wave Crusher. I'm only seeing DC offset in Reaper when it comes to Dithering. I'm don't dither any of my material. Not really sure if it's necessary or what that's all about.
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Videoon 10/1/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
What I am trying to share is that one needs to not push the published loudness limits too far. Perfect example: your Opus peaks as encoded by Youtube are now louder than -1dBTP because their re-encoding produced intersample peaks in the form of quantization noise, a phenomenon I have dealt with for many years in my own work. At 73, I can hear slight distortion in your recording. Just back away a bit. Check the other guy (eduardo's) guitar work with loudness meters. Acoustic guitar, nor any other stringed acoustic instrument, not even a concert harp or grand piano, needs or necessarily sounds best at such high peak levels. A good LRA is "much" more important with acoustic instruments. His TP and Integrated levels are much lower than Youtube's limits, and yet it sounds so good to me I've been playing it over and over. There "is" a place for loudness competition on Youtube. However, it is not with acoustic or even orchestral performances. Before loudness standards, it was all around -12dB RMS, -6dBFS peaks on recordings. I hope this doesn't sound insensitive to your good work; I'm currently finishing my third (and last) brew this evening. Best. Thanks again for the insights. Apparently, I didn't have "True Peak" selected in my dry run statistics this whole time, so I was likely going over -1dBTP all this time. A few runs verified that. After it would do the run set on TP the final reading would jump up a bit.What do you consider a good LRA?Sadly I can't find the free version of that plugin you mentioned.
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Videoon 9/27/2022
Got a VEGAS Post 19 Upgrade Email Offer
I get jealous when I see these posts. I'd like to upgrade to VP20, but Vegas stopped hitting my newsfeed when I opened VP17 earlier this summer. I've also received no emails about VP20 or 19 since last Spring too. I find this all very weird. Yes, yes I know about the default $199 upgrade, but I was getting offers way better than that.
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Videoon 9/27/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
What I am trying to share is that one needs to not push the published loudness limits too far. Perfect example: your Opus peaks as encoded by Youtube are now louder than -1dBTP because their re-encoding produced intersample peaks in the form of quantization noise, a phenomenon I have dealt with for many years in my own work. At 73, I can hear slight distortion in your recording. Just back away a bit. Check the other guy (eduardo's) guitar work with loudness meters. Acoustic guitar, nor any other stringed acoustic instrument, not even a concert harp or grand piano, needs or necessarily sounds best at such high peak levels. A good LRA is "much" more important with acoustic instruments. His TP and Integrated levels are much lower than Youtube's limits, and yet it sounds so good to me I've been playing it over and over. There "is" a place for loudness competition on Youtube. However, it is not with acoustic or even orchestral performances. Before loudness standards, it was all around -12dB RMS, -6dBFS peaks on recordings. I hope this doesn't sound insensitive to your good work; I'm currently finishing my third (and last) brew this evening. Best. Interesting info, and thanks for your honesty. I hear the distortion too, but I did not think it too bad compared to the original. Of course, I'm probably overusing Izotope Ozone tbh. I'll try for the lower target suggested earlier as I'm not trying to win loudness wars, just trying to avoid their maximizer changing the dynamics of the track . . . but yeah, I need to drop that peak from -1dbTP, I sense. I really appreciate your input and discussion on this thread. I wonder what you think of the audio quality of Soundcloud's player: https://soundcloud.com/perrybrooksnicholsnylon/ramkali-romance-open-d-major That's also a 128kbit/s mp3 like bandcamp. Not sure why they're all using mp3's at such a low bitrate and not a better codec, maybe licensing, with mp3 possibly having no license cost. There was a popular piece of music that was a great demonstration of the limitations of 128kbit/s It may have been 1 of these 2 songs With source being a CD, the 128kbit/s mp3 encode falls apart, a cacophony of distortion , at 192kbit/s it sounds much better, and 320kbit/s better again. I'm not sure if the mp3 codec see's your music as overly complex or not. It certainly doesn't 'fall apart' like some music does at 128kbit/s I think I figured out that 128kbps is the standard because of Facebook. They've limited all of their streaming audio and videos to 16bit/128kbps AAC. If you upload one of greater quality it will have artifacts and distortion. I experience this all the time because instagram allows videos of at least 16/256kbps and sometimes it crossposts a video to my FB page. Everytime I upload a video with any quality higher than 128kbps and it crossposts, aliasing noise etc enters the equation. We're all trapped in Zuck's Tesseract, I suppose. Here's my problem for tomorrow... gotta shoot someone playing this on an acoustic guitar. I just pulled Joni's performance off of YouTube to get an idea of what loudness to aim for... around -17 db rms power: Interesting, I'll see if Reaper has a setting that indicates DC offset, because that seems like the most interesting thing to learn about here . . .
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Videoon 9/26/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
1. I misread your post because you said "I will say that I like the ability to have a lower peak like -16 or -18 even tho I've gotten used to -14" when you meant to say "integrated" LU. I'm sure it was just a typo. But indeed, -12dB RMS with -6dBFS peaks are pretty normal for acoustic (non-streaming) music recordings. Jacking acoustic peaks to -1 dB sounds harsh and is hard for my ears to take, even with the best mics. Also, the re-encoding of good audio to AAC often turns edgy peaks to clipped distorted bursts, so I avoid that particular gimmick like the plague, even if it makes my stuff less "competitive" in the internet jungle. For my ears, battered by fifty years of recording experience, I don't go there; yes that is only my preference. Do you agree, @rraud? 2. As far as the audio plugin chain in its default state, I ran empirical bitwise tests years ago (pre-Magix), revealing no measurable waveform differences; they were identical using uncompressed source. If you are hearing something different, perhaps you could construct your own quantified tests and share the results. It would be enlightening. 3. Personal preferences being what they are, the last documentation I have of the loudness standards and penalties from various streaming services is here. I have found automated social loudness bots to be a bit inconsistent in their application. https://youlean.co/loudness-standards-full-comparison-table/ Thanks!!! Yes, I made a typo. I'm an artist and an abstract one at that, not an engineer by any standards, so please give me some leeway ;p. I really appreciate your input and discussion on this thread. I wonder what you think of the audio quality of Soundcloud's player: https://soundcloud.com/perrybrooksnicholsnylon/ramkali-romance-open-d-majorI've been moving away from Soundcloud as they have started to run way too many ads and the storage limits are frustrating (on my 4th profile!), but for a time I built a considerable following there with my first profile. Bandcamp has no storage limit, but it was only until we had this discussion that I realized how poorly it's representing the quality of my music via the streaming player.As far as using Reaper to generate -14LUFS-I and -1 db Tp, it seems accurate and with the dry run option providing analytics on the duration of a rendered track. Before they came out with dry run renders, I was rendering complete tracks over and over until I hit the target and it was wasting tons of hd space. I agree with you about the harshness of the above limits which is why I want to discuss and investigate the range of output settings that work. For now, since most of my tracks are acoustic I've learned that using Izotope Ozone 9's Tonal Balance control can really reduce the harsh peaks and avoiding compression altogether - when it doesn't contribute much to the sound - helps a bit. I tend to like to have a little bit of stereo independence on the transients which can add harshness at the maximizer stage, I suppose. I probably overuse the imager module as I go about 20ms stereoize with "anti-phase" engaged, and tweak all the bands until I get about the same peak on both channels targeting -1dbTP, (but not in the same places if it's a successfully recorded track!) - this is about the most concentration intensive part of my process and spreading the high band to the max in order to create more spatial illusion definitely risks adding a sharper tone to the mix.I know very little about which video formats use what and especiallhy those that are using AAC, but I guess that 's mostly mp4 - with FB or IG uploads there's no other choice tho. I want to look into opus and XAVC, but I'm just using AVI for now since it seems to work. I'll adjust the meters and try those other limits you've suggested as I get closer to finishing my album. battered by fifty years of recording experience, About the same here @Musicvid , I stated playing music in bands when I was 14 and moved on to FOH sound and recording. I was involved in other high SPL activities when I was young. My ears are focked up as well. I have adapted though and can still mix on a pro level. Rock music material streaming at -14 LUFS (integrated) loudness, (the recommended streaming loudness level) will typically have occasional 'true peaks' approaching - 2.0 dBFS.Many folks confuse decibel (dBFS peak) meters for loudness LU/LK meters, where 'Integrated' and 'True Peak' are the important factors. Broadcast submission loudness levels for narratives and such must be significant lower. -23/24 LUFS (integrated.. which means the entire program). I usually use the Sound Forge Pro statistics tool to measure the integrated LU and true peak factors, which is much faster than real time'. Unfortunately, Vegas cannot render an audio statistics log. But there are plug-ins that can set the overall level automatically. They are not perfect though and many calculate the loudness based on only a few seconds of playback. I recommend double-checking with a trusted meter before submitting anything, Most music streaming services will re-render if the levels are off-spec. Some will boost or reduce the levels and some will only reduce the level if it's over -14 LU. Thanks for your input! I agree about Broadcast levels, television is all over the place. Fox is an offender on so many levels, but why is HBO's Bill Maher so quiet compared to the rest of the broadcast.I've not tried Sound Forge Pro at all, but if I can get a decent VP20 upgrade offer one of these days it should come with.
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Videoon 9/26/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
Ok I finally checked it. It just sounds like you didn't maximize your track for -14LUFS-I -1db and the track got quieter and a bit less detailed after posting to YT. Very astute observation! You are well on your way to mastering Youtube (such as it is...); in all honesty I haven't run up/down audio tests on Youtube for some time. But their Opus sounds quite good to me. I hope you will continue to share your results; they will be a great resource. I will say that I like the ability to have a lower peak like -16 or -18 even tho I've gotten used to -14 there is a loss of headroom with that level, I think you can upload -6dBTP at -15LUFS to Youtube without incurring a loudness penalty. That frees up some dynamic range (LRA), which can be leveraged with just a little compression and a transparent limiter, giving the acoustic richness I love to hear. To that purpose, I would like to introduce you to my very favorite, always-on VST plugin, the Barricade 4 by Toneboosters. With mathematically flawless displays and meters, intuitive controls, and a couple of amazing presets, I never start a project without it. The great news is, Version 3 Toneboosters is now free (!) so you can check out its essential functions without plunking down $20. I know this sounds like a commercial; I was a beta tester for his very first EBU R128 meters, and I've been hooked on them ever since. Here's a short demo; It was recorded in the orchestra pit, and unfortunately there is a little trash from the stage monitors, but it demonstrates Barricade's faithfulness with acoustic instruments. Thanks so much! If there's one thing I like it's a good transparent VST, if there's one thing I love it's a FREE transparent VST! :DI'll consider those limits for more complex material or maybe for pre-"mastering" for an upcoming vinyl release. I'm kinda sticking to this formula since it works for now. I still haven't tried the "loudness logs" on Vegas . . .but it still seems so much more efficient to strip the audio from Vegas "master" in Reaper and reinsert it since Izotope is pretty CPU intensive and so are all the Vegas plug-ins.Also raise your hand if you also can stand the automatic plugins that appear when one starts an audio track? I can't tell you how long it took at first to figure out why tracks sounded different and worse after exporting from VP until I figured it out. Anyway to disable (compressor, noise gate, etc)?
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Videoon 9/26/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
I Ok I finally checked it. It just sounds like you didn't maximize your track for -14LUFS-I -1db and the track got quieter and a bit less detailed after posting to YT. Nice fado piece btw. What is the site videy's upload guideline suggestions for an audio track? @Crowyote Yeah I noticed that too, I turned up the volume for youtube in my comparison but did not realise it also affected audio quality. I guess at the low bitrate that is true. I used YT downloader to get the audio values from YT, there is also stats for nerds that you see John Dennis using in a screen shot above. Btw I had a look at vimeo, for a random 1080p video I chose the video and audio bitrates are twice that of youtube. around 5000kbit/s for video, and 250kbit/s AAC. You might want to try it, but Vimeo not so great for discoverability. Depends on your needs I have a friend who graduated from film school and competes in festivals. She only uses Vimeo, and I guess that it why. I don't really because they charge for space, but I'm tempted to start an account or two for certain media I'd like to display.
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Videoon 9/24/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
I think youtube sounds good enough, but it's not good compared to original recording. You're probably wasting your time with the audio. I understand what you're doing, feeding YT the highest quality everything to get the highest quality encode but mostly it's a wasted effort (mostly) Take this comparison between original audio, and youtube audio, even with bluetooth headphones I can hear a difference https://videy.co/v?id=fVvFssdY (you may have to try this link on a chrome browser, wasn't hearing audio with firefox) Ok I finally checked it. It just sounds like you didn't maximize your track for -14LUFS-I -1db and the track got quieter and a bit less detailed after posting to YT. Nice fado piece btw. What is the site videy's upload guideline suggestions for an audio track?I will say that I like the ability to have a lower peak like -16 or -18 even tho I've gotten used to -14 there is a loss of headroom with that level, which is why many audio engineer on reddit keep bringing up that streaming platforms should bring the threshold down.
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Videoon 9/24/2022
Favorite Codecs for rendering hq quality videos with 24 bit audio
Take this comparison between original audio, and youtube audio, even with bluetooth headphones I can hear a difference https://videy.co/v?id=fVvFssdY (you may have to try this link on a chrome browser, wasn't hearing audio with firefox) I completely disagree with those results! You can't hear the difference between my youtube video and the other link? The video on the link is the file I uploaded to youtube, it's the original I created (not re-encoded), with good headphones or speakers you should be able to notice the youtube audio is lower quality Compare the audio of the YT video: the same track on bandcamp: https://crowyote.bandcamp.com/track/ramkali-romance Your very high quality audio is being re-encoded. The audio quality of both is very average. Your youtube audio is as expected, youtube quality, and your bandcamp link is a 128kbit/s mp3. For personal use, nobody has been using mp3's of that bitrate for the last 20 years, mp3's were taken out the back of the shed and shot a long time ago. They are inferior to every other audio format. The youtube audio is also lowbirate, but opus is a nice codec. They are very small files compared to what you uploaded, you can't expect miracles. Listening to the original .wav file and comparing with both, the Youtube resolution sounds the closest to the original. The exact same volume level, the tone is pretty close. AAC audio is superior to mp3, at a given bitrate AAC will be superior. Your mp3 is 1.17Mb, the AAC 1.18Mb so YT audio should be superior, however if you are served the opus audio it will be better again as you can see by the file sizes. But still low bitrates compared to your original HOWEVER . . . I think the visuals of the video has lost some resolution in the upload. So Vimeo I guess it is. Vimeo may have better audio too, don't know much about that platform. A trick for YT is to upload at 1440p even if you recorded 1080P, this forces the superior VP9 video codec for better video, and opus codec even when played back at lower resolutions. For me even though i'm served the lower quality h.264 video, it's combined with higher quality opus audio, which is good Honestly, I didn't check out your comparison, but I will today.I was focusing on whether or not the audio from my original is comparable listening through a soundcard or interface with decent quality headphones. And like I said my own computer's built in soundcard can distinguish between 16bit and 24 bit files, so there is something to the files being uploaded as 24 bit.I only gave 2 links where did you get the other reading from? OR are those "projected file sizes?" How do you do these type of analysis? How did you get the opus format since I"m not using it? Are you running those evaluations from the Youtube site or the preview player on the forum?I am surprised at the poor quality of the bandcamp player for preview. It seems like this cheapo explanation of how the they are maintaining enough bandwidth to share and store massive amounts of music for essentially free. When someone supports the artist one can get various file types (.wav, .flac, etc) essentially mimicing the original. It seems like they would do better representing artists with a more professional compression.I would like to use opus, but since I'm hunkering down on VP17 until I get a better offer than the standard upgrade not sure if I can use that codec. Are you implying that by upscaling my video to 1440p the VP9 codec automatically translate a high quality avi (or xavc etc.) into opus or a higher bitrate less compressed audio file?Another thing I noticed is that the of the original uncompressed file caused a problem with YT's "Premiere" thingamajig. It caused the video to glitch during the countdown and cut off the 1st minute of the "premiere." So I'm not going to use that silly premiere thing anymore.
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