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Videoon 6/23/2006
24p and 60i in same doc
I guess that depends on which FX you mean. You probably have a case for animation, like, say, windowblind transitions or motion tracking. Color correction, probably not as much, and text can be blurred (and should be even if you're editing in 24p). So, I guess if you're going to be doing heavy editing, you could be right, Bob. But if you're just doing cuts and color-correction and some text, you can probably save yourself a step -- especially at DV resolutions.
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Videoon 6/23/2006
24p and 60i in same doc
What are you shooting with? If you're working with DV, you don't have to worry about rendering 24p to 60i; it's already on tape as 60i with pulldown. If you want to edit on a 60i timeline, then shoot 24p with standard pulldown, not 24pA. Then, just capture with Vegas and edit with your 60i footage on a 60i timeline. Vegas will not remove the pulldown on a 60i timeline, so you're golden.
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Videoon 6/23/2006
Authoring 30p SD DVDs from 1080i cameras.
NTSC DVD doesn't support 30p. But that's OK, because converting it to 60i is easy as weezy. It'll look just like 30p when played.
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Videoon 6/7/2006
Nice Tute on PULLDOWN. 4-1-1 >>> 4-4-4 . .
4:1:1 and 4:4:4 have to do with color space, not pulldown . . .
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Videoon 6/7/2006
Putting Finished 24p project on 60i DVD
That's correct. Every DVD player ever made will play a 24p DVD.
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Videoon 6/4/2006
What do I choose for render
You should be able render using the MPEG-2 DVD Architect 24p Widescreen DVD preset. Use it, then render the audio separately, either as AC-3 or PCM. Use the same file name.
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Videoon 6/4/2006
5.1. surround sound cards
You can use three stereo cards, but yeah, you can't expect to mix a 5.1 audio track if you have no way to listen to 5.1. I've used the Audigy2 Platinum for years to good effect.
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Videoon 6/4/2006
More 24P newbie confusion
Try converting to 30p. It would be the same as converting to 24p, just with a framerate of 29.976. In your project settings, make sure your deinterlace method is set to "interpolate fields," not "blend fields." You may get rid of that "wet" look but still have acceptable results.
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Videoon 6/4/2006
More 24P newbie confusion
What mode did you shoot the Z1 in? 60i? CF24? I can't tell which footage in the Cake Dive 24p video is the "bad" footage as compared to the rest -- but I will say that you have a LOT of quick camera moves -- pans, zooms, tilts -- and that's going to get you into trouble when you convert to 24p, no matter which camera you use. You simply can't move the camera like that and expect a good 24p result. If you took a 24p or a 24 fps film camera and moved it like that, it would strobe just as badly. If you want a 24p final result, you have to be shooting from the get-go as if you're shooting 24p. I note in the one shot the 950 is on a tripod? Are the cameras you're saying aren't giving you the bad results tripod-mounts without a lot of motion, while the Z1 is used for handheld with a lot of motion? If so, there's your answer right there. Also, it looks like you edited in 60i then coverted to 24p? In general, don't do that. If you want your final project to be 24p, make the conversions before you edit and work in a 24p project. This is essential for good-quality transitions, text, color-correct, etc.. If you want/plan to do a lot of projects to deliver as 24p, I'd strongly suggest purchasing a native 24p camera. You *can* shoot in 60i, move the camera correctly, and get a good 24p result, but ultimately, the extra steps involved and the necessary quality hit you'll take when you convert (resolution loss) might make a native 24p cam a worthy investment. Food for thought. But one thing I would also note . . . different frame rates have different uses. A slower framerate is good for drama and a cinematic feel. A faster framerate is good for quick motion like sports, live events, etc.. If the very kinetic shooting style you chose for this event is what you want, then you might reconsider whether you really want this project to be 24p. Fit the tool to the job.
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Videoon 6/4/2006
24p DVDs play smaller than 60i?
Did you crop the footage? Or is it all native 16:9 with no cropping? I ask because if you don't watch your render settings, you can end up creating a letterboxed 4:3 image, which, when rendered as widescreen, will then take on a windowbox -- the image in the middle with black all around. Viewing in WMP at full screen, it would appear that the image is only 75-80% as large as it would be if the widescreen render had been done correctly.
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Videoon 6/3/2006
Does Vegas text have these symbols?
http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/finetypography/ht/copyright_tm.htm These work if the font supports it.
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Videoon 6/1/2006
Rendering for DVDA Question
Was the project too long for the DVD? Is it more than two hours? What was the size of the rendered file? If it's something like 3.8 gigs or so, you start running into situations where you'll need to re-render for space reasons, especially if you have a robust audio track and want to make complex menus.
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Videoon 6/1/2006
24p to 24p render...
"He said just make sure you bring the CDFI 60i into a ***24P Project*****, I guess so the transitions, generated media, FX etc are handled right in 24p. ****DO NOT *****DO NOT**** bring into a 60i project and then render to a 24p format!" Absolutely. No question.
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Videoon 6/1/2006
24p to 24p render...
When I initially answered the question, I didn't know he was working in HDV. Course, you can't render a straight 24p file using DV. It's not in the DV spec, so pulldown is necessary to render the smaller DV files. That being the case, the better choice would be 2-3-3-2. But since this IS HDV we're talking about, Michael, you're right; you could probably use the HDV-25p intermdiate preset and change the frame rate to 23.976, then render the sub-projects. Quality of the results? Never tried; don't know.
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Videoon 6/1/2006
24p to 24p render...
He can render uncompressed at 23.976p, I suppose, but it's a longer render than DV with pulldown, and the filesize is *much* bigger. Or did you have something else in mind?
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Videoon 6/1/2006
24p to 24p render...
It's all cool; just wanted to be clear.
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Videoon 6/1/2006
24p to 24p render...
"Now, if you have already render your small vegs as AVI 30p or.. , just render the master veg as 24p mpg2." No reason to ever render 24p as 30p. And if you want to convert to 24p, 30p is your worst choice -- the conversion will be terrible.
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Videoon 6/1/2006
24p to 24p render...
Best is to render the sub-projects with 2-3-3-2 pulldown, because you're going to bringing them back into a 24p timeline for further work. You won't duplicate the pulldown because Vegas will remove it automatically. But Vegas will remove either type of pulldown when you bring it into the 24p project.
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Videoon 6/1/2006
24p to 24p render...
Not sure what you mean? What is your desired output? You shouldn't have to render the project more than once. If you ultimately want a 24p AVI, and you have the project edited the way you want, then just render as a 24p AVI. You don't need to prep sections or anything.
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Videoon 5/31/2006
Film Effects Issue..the effect
He needs to download the latest version of Vegas 6. The initial version had that problem; it's been fixed since update 6.0a.
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Videoon 5/30/2006
Projects played on 16:9 HD TV
What are you playing them on the TV with? DVD? Straight from the camera? Most HDTVs let you set the properties for each input separately, so if you have your inputs from cable or from an antenna set to display 4:3 correctly, you might have the inputs for your DVD player or camera set correctly. Check into that.
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Videoon 5/29/2006
24p sd vs HD 1080i/60 - filmmakers eyes only
Wait, I gotta go to the tote on this -- what do you mean by this? "Additionally, you're not taking into account the chroma resolution when we're talking about highly compressed formats such as DV. You have significantly less information in a 24p frame than a 60i frame" How can there be significantly less color information in a 60i "frame" than there is in a 24p frame, unless you're talking about HD vs. SD?
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Videoon 5/29/2006
24p sd vs HD 1080i/60 - filmmakers eyes only
Guys, I think you skipped right over my first sentence: "Jay, do you mean you get more motion information per second with 60i?" I was careful to make the distinction.
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Videoon 5/29/2006
24p sd vs HD 1080i/60 - filmmakers eyes only
Jay, do you mean you get more motion information per second with 60i? Unless you're talking about HD vs. SD, you get more picture information in a progressive frame than in an interlaced field/field combo.
David Jimerson
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