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Videoon 9/25/2022
Capture Insanity on Vegas Pro 12 - HELP!
@Denicio right click on capture in the Video Capture app and select preferences. Turn off device control Boom Shakalaka Boom!!! This did it! This one setting is now letting my video through! Thanks for this suggestion!
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Videoon 9/25/2022
Capture Insanity on Vegas Pro 12 - HELP!
hanks for the info on DVDate. Does it have lossless compression? Why ? The program makes perfect files for the use in Vegas. Well, VirtualDub without compression just finished a 3.5 hour transfer and the file size is 45 gig. When i had an XP rig (RIP) that used VD with Lagrath lossless the file sizes were way more sensible.
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Videoon 9/25/2022
Capture Insanity on Vegas Pro 12 - HELP!
@Denicio, try using Scenalyzer Live. It will capture to standard DV files and is now free. Does it preform lossless compression? I just transferred a Hi8, 3.5 hour family holiday video and the file was 45.8 gig!!
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Videoon 9/25/2022
Capture Insanity on Vegas Pro 12 - HELP!
In that time of Vpro 12 I always used a third party program to capture all my ever made DV Avi files from the tapes to a few harddrives . The name is DVDate which gave always very good edit files for use in Vegas software.This free program you can find here: https://paulglagla.com/en/dvdate-2/ Hmmm....why exactly did you go outside vegas to capture during the V12 version? Thanks for the info on DVDate. Does it have lossless compression? I am using VirtualDub at the moment with NO compression and MY of MY are the file sizes massive!
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Videoon 9/25/2022
Capture Insanity on Vegas Pro 12 - HELP!
Have you tried turning off Device Control? What is Device Control and where can its toggle settings be found?
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Videoon 9/15/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
Still not sure about Straxrip but if i can use Neat Video in Vegas and get half as good of results that you did, then i will be quite happy! I should have been more clear about Staxrip, I use it as a GUI for QTGMC, it is a de-interlacing option for converting your 60 fields per second video into 60fps progressive. I thought I had seen a built in method of doing this in Vegas by placing your video on a 59.94fps timeline, and using smart deinterlace or interpolate, but when I tried during playback on timeline I had duplicated frames. I did not try rendering it., If you're happy with converting 60 fields to 30fps Vegas is fine but you lose temporal resolution which I think is a big deal, but nobody here cares about it. Your 29.97fps progressive will not be as smooth as your 60 fields per second interlaced video, it doesn't adequately replicate the original in a progressive form. QTGMC won't be perfectly identical either as it's creating full unique frames from each individual field. The standard conversion still seems to be 29.97fps progressive so it's good enough for most. If you forget about the noise reduction I added you can look at the playback of @Musicvid 's 29.97fps and my 59.94fps version. If they 'feel' the same to you, or you prefer the 29.97fps cadence you can disregard staxrip(QTGMC) completely Todd, Thanks for your reply on this. To my eyes and for the purposes of these videos (family home video) i am a 'dumb consumer' and see no cadence differences between the two videos provided. Yours, however, with the denoising does look better to my eyes as the snow (noise) is all but gone. These videos are not for Broadcast TV or for a movie theatre. Its simple archival of family videos. The very fact that you unknowingly reminded me that i have neat video NR is worth its weight in gold! That will make the videos look better. I just wonder if there is a simple render setting already done in Vegas that i can use that wont force me to have to consult Einstein (tip of the hat to Musicvid's algebra statement). ALL the videos in question were shot with the same 80's camcorder and all pretty much look the same (as overall quality goes). All have snowy noise. At the end of the day i just want to archive these videos for my family and put them on hard drives for the kids and on a cloud service for safe backup. I do want them to look good but the sheer volume of tapes i have to transfer and render prevents me from taking a LOT of time with each video render. My hope is i can add the Neat Video DN to clean up the image and then pick a render preset and then let the computer work.
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Videoon 9/14/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
Maybe you would have better luck using Handbrake. I am all ears! Why handbrake over Vegas? Does handbrake simplify final rendering? Does handbrake allow for the Neat Video denoiser?
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Videoon 9/14/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
In order to deliver late 20th century video technology in the 21st century, it must be deinterlaced and square pixels. It's not optional. Now, figuring the DAR is not something i have ever done nor know how to do. Where do i get this information to plug into that box? My earlier post was not enough to get you started? I'm aghast. It involves prealgebra skills. Denicio, I am a retired teacher, so answers are not free from me. Basically, you use simple ratio math to convert anamorphic (non-square) to square pixels. To introduce you to the math, I'd like you to meet my friends, the brothers Sar, Dar, and Par: DAR / SAR = PAR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_aspect_ratio There is THAT word..........algebra.........ugh~ I have now broken out in hives and i am running in circles in my office hyperventilating and considering becoming a hermit :-) And you think i am kidding. Succinctly stated "all i want to do is render, not math" (ha!). In total honestly, Math is easily my weakest skill as a human. I spent more times with tutors than i did in actual class. I am also a victim of private xtian school so quoting verses are a breeze for me...math, not so much. In brutal honesty, if i do have to do math on each and ever video i render then it may be a lost cause for me. Sigh.
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Videoon 9/14/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
I tried staxrip + Neat NR. the noise reduction does not look so good. the ISO noise is gone replaced by what looks like high compression noise due to low bitrate even though there is no low bitrate in the conversion. Neat did object to the noise profile I chose, but it didn't matter where I took the noise print from , it just doesn't like the video. Manual intervention required, which I didn't do. I've no idea what a Staxrip or Neat NR is but what you provided looks quite good to my eyes. Sure, there may be other compression artifacts but what you did was an improvement (to me) over the original source. I dont assume Staxrip or Neat NR is a plugin to use inside of Vegas, is it? EDIT: Okay, as i looked into Neat Video and saw a couple of tutorials i realized it looked REAL familiar. After resetting my password with them i was reminded i have already used this before!! (Yeah for me). Please forgive me and my forgetfulness. If you were to ask me about ANY of my Audio Recording Studio plugins or equipment i could bore you with details for hours on end....without looking at my DAW. Video is a whole different story. Its not a passion its a necessity. Its necessary for Dad (me) to take 30+ years of video recording and Xfr it digitally. I am a Jedi when it comes to audio. Video? I am more of The Apple Dumplin' Gang! Clueless and Clumsy :-) Still not sure about Straxrip but if i can use Neat Video in Vegas and get half as good of results that you did, then i will be quite happy!
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Videoon 9/14/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
Sure. Here is the basic optimal render. Notice I've left Display Width (DAR) for you to figure. Once you are comfortable with this workflow, you can play with White Balance, Smart Deinterlace and Upscale later in another thread if you wish. But here's a teaser. As always, i cant thank you enough for taking the time to help me with this! Now, figuring the DAR is not something i have ever done nor know how to do. Where do i get this information to plug into that box?
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Videoon 9/13/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
Here is a dropbox link. Thoughts? https://www.dropbox.com/s/90igtx95dadf3ra/VTS_01_1.VOB?dl=0
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Videoon 9/11/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
If you recorded at a slower speed/more content on a disk setting, that might be why the resolution is so low. Yes, many of these tapes are full, top to bottom hence the slower record speed. I just want to know what is the best Vegas 12 render preset (or custom one) i need to use so i can start rendering these videos.
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Videoon 9/10/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
Not sure i have too many robust setting for my DVD recorder. Attached is the image from the manual on what settings i have (also link to its manual). https://www.bhphotovideo.com/lit_files/60319.pdf
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Videoon 9/10/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
See if this helps....
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Videoon 9/10/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
DVD will have to be NTSC due to being in the United States. Other questions i am simply unqualified to answer. If i dropbox or google drive it, how will you get access to it? Happy to do it but i've only done it with known email addresses. I mainly use WeTransfer with my audio clients.
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Videoon 9/10/2022
Render Settings for VHS (and other)
MANY of you commented here and i wanted to revisit this as MANY things have changed (AND i need your help). Musicvid, John Dennis and others have been SO helpful. I have ditched the LordSmurf system (sold it and actually made a small bit of $ back on the deal). I am NOW transferring my VHS videos to DVD via a Toshiba DVR620KU. Its something similar to what Musicvid suggested. Its set & forget easy. May not be Hollywood quality but these are grainy home videos for the most part. SO, when i copy the finalized DVD over to my windows computer and i drag it into vegas....what render settings should i be using? I have 30 videos ready to be rendered and MANY MORE transferring to DVD. Vegas Pro 12 (what i am using) has a wealth of render settings. Can you fine folks give me suggestions? Again, just VHS camcorder capture from a 1980's camcorder being transferred by the VCR/DVD Recorder combo. It is what it is. What render settings do you recommend? Thanks in advance to your suggestions. Denicio
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Videoon 1/25/2022
Computer Beeping during Vegas Pro 18 Render
@Denicio Oh, two of my best pals live in the Liverpool 'area'. One in Frodsham and the other in Runcorn. Visited twice and absolutely fell in love with the area. One of my trips i was treated to a Bed & Breakfast in the Lake District (heaven on earth). There i got to live out my 'Supertramp' bucket list item. I had kippers for breakfast. Hi, got to ask, where in the world do you live? I live in Memphis, TN, USA I met my Runcorn pal (Graham) in 2002 on the Steinberg/Nuendo forums. I'd often cite The Young Ones quotes in my comments to him while asking him for computer help. Well, the universe decided we should be friends and a friendship was started. He's help me build mega computers all these years. He knows more about the motherboards and chip sets i use than the tech support at the respective companies! He is a genius. Then around 2009 he introduced me to a drummer friend of his who was needing a rock vocalist and a mix for his......wait for it.......Viking Heavy Metal FARTING album. I had a pal of mine sing all the lead vocals and i mixed the album. His name is Andy and lives in Frodsham. I have visited twice. My mates have taken me to no less than 10 castles, taken me to Tea Shops, introduced me to most excellent British food like Black Pudding (also a Curry shop in Frodsham is a top 10 meal for me), they've driven me to Edinburgh to have Haggis in Scotland (a bucket list item for me)....and so much more. These two distant BFF's are very near and dear to me. I've always argued that the stork dropped me off 4000 miles too far to the west. For reasons i cant explain i adore old BBC comedies and endless British Comedians (quite addicted to ALL things Ricky Gervais) And....for your amusement....here is one or two of the songs off that Farty album....the album's title is "Sacred Wind" (the pun IS intended). There is a book that accompanies this album. It reads like Tolkien! And i am not even kidding a little! And here is a song called "Metal and Curry". The album was a hoot to work on. Oh, then a year later Andy did a Xmas song with the Sacred Wind theme! They have both stayed at my home two times each (for a week) while i showed them the blues, rock and roll and BBQ. And they have hosted me in Brittan quite graciously.
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Videoon 1/25/2022
Computer Beeping during Vegas Pro 18 Render
That is a good question. Maybe keep an eye on temps and faults with HWINFO64 or similar tool. Is it hitting power or other limits? Indeed all great questions. BUT...once i ran the exact same render on V12 with Zero issues i knew the problem was related to V18 for what ever reason. As others have pointed out here, my video card is not compatible with V18. I've decided V12 'aint broke' for my needs so its where i will stay. Its solid, it works, it does not send my computer screaming and it gets the job done. Thanks all for contributing to this post.
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Videoon 1/24/2022
Computer Beeping during Vegas Pro 18 Render
@Denicio Fair enough, I'm from the right side of the Pennines Leeds so not far away, I built a studio for a musician & understand the noise issue, the desk that housed his pc had to be lined with sound insulation but still allow ventilation, my pc sits next to me on the desk, it has 3 fans in the CPU cooler at the top of the case & another 3 in the case, the GPU has 2 or 3 fans & the pcie raid card has a little 1 too, i can hear it, it's pretty quiet, but my microphone pics up the hum if it's too close, Maybe one day & maybe the prices will drop or you'll find a good deal 👍👍 Oh, two of my best pals live in the Liverpool 'area'. One in Frodsham and the other in Runcorn. Visited twice and absolutely fell in love with the area. One of my trips i was treated to a Bed & Breakfast in the Lake District (heaven on earth). There i got to live out my 'Supertramp' bucket list item. I had kippers for breakfast. "Could we have kippers for breakfast, mummy dear, mummy dearThey got to have 'em in Texas, 'cause everyone's a millionaireI'm a winner, I'm a sinner, do you want my autographI'm a loser, what a joker, I'm playing my jokes upon youBut there's nothin' better to do"
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Videoon 1/24/2022
Computer Beeping during Vegas Pro 18 Render
@Denicio Fair enough, I'm from the right side of the Pennines Leeds so not far away, I built a studio for a musician & understand the noise issue, the desk that housed his pc had to be lined with sound insulation but still allow ventilation, my pc sits next to me on the desk, it has 3 fans in the CPU cooler at the top of the case & another 3 in the case, the GPU has 2 or 3 fans & the pcie raid card has a little 1 too, i can hear it, it's pretty quiet, but my microphone pics up the hum if it's too close, Maybe one day & maybe the prices will drop or you'll find a good deal 👍👍 Well, i'd consider buying now if i knew the new card was as quiet as what i have now, if not more quiet. It would also have to play nice with my high end audio converters (RME). Considering that V12 works and does what i need it to do i may just hang tight till i am FORCED to upgrade. Make sense?
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Videoon 1/24/2022
Computer Beeping during Vegas Pro 18 Render
@Denicio 👍 Hi, I'm really not up with the details but you've got M.2 drives, you've a 12 core CPU & 32GB RAM, a more modern GPU would be like buying a decent new computer, a GTX 1650 here (England) can be bought for £250, i think that's a small price to pay for what you get, that will bring your pc up to the 21 century, you'll be able to use V18 or V19, it'll improve your pc a lot, from working at 10% up to 80-90%, i don't know how different V12 is to V18 but of course, like you say it works as it now, why fix what ain't broke, I don't understand why whoever put it together put that card in? GTX 650? have you got that right, can you share a pic of Preferences showing the GPU or a pic of Taskmanager - GPU like i showed above, that pc you've got is close to the 'beast of a system', only prob is your beast has a gammy leg 😂 ? I have a good pal who lives in Liverpool (England) that helps me spec out my workstations mainly for Audio production. He never once saw the video card as an issue as it relates to audio recording. So, i've just kept this 650 as its just worked and been reliable (and its paid for). It seems to only have reared its head during these Vegas renders in V18. Yeah, its not super expensive to fix this. And i am not totally against doing it. Just want to make sure i dont add something that brings MORE heat to my system and requires more fans. Remember, this system is built for Audio and it sets next to me, quietly, in my recording studio. I do realize i do have a cutting edge system with an older video card.
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Videoon 1/24/2022
Computer Beeping during Vegas Pro 18 Render
@Denicio Hi, just thought i'd share this, Ram Memory - I have 5 tabs in Google open which takes a bit, but when rendering, playing or at idle it doesn't change much, so your Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) should be fine. this is my pc at idle, a few windows open, nothing playing the memory is 13% While playing - the CPU at the top is doing very little, the GPU is doing the work, the memory has only gone up to 14% & when rendering the CPU is doing some work but the majority is done by the GPU, the memory has again only gone up to 15% I hope this gives a very rough idea how important a half decent GPU is. 👍 PS I don't know if this is relatable to VP12 🤷♂️ Wow, thanks for this detailed and thoughtful reply. It does give me a LOT to think about. Here is my dilemma. I am doing no real video stuff anymore. All i need is a working editor that will help me archive my 100+ family videos. If i were looking to do more serious video stuff i would not bat an eye at buying a new video card. I cant see spending 200-300 bux on a video card JUST so i can get Vegas 18 working. Right now i pretty much have a working solution by using V12. Its stable, its got a work flow i am familiar with. Am i wrong?
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Videoon 1/22/2022
Computer Beeping during Vegas Pro 18 Render
From VEGAS Pro 18 Release Notes, System Requirements: "NVIDIA, NVIDIA® GeForce GTX or RTX 9XX series or higher with 4GB". Welp, then it looks like i will be sticking with V12 then for my video needs. I'm not doing any real video production. Just capturing, editing and rendering out home video from VHS, Hi 8 to Digital captures. So far, V12 does a fine job.
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Videoon 1/22/2022
Computer Beeping during Vegas Pro 18 Render
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 video card (card from previous system that still works fine) That's the weakest link. 1650 or 1660 is suggested by many. Its rendered Vegas videos for me for several years now. Why would it not get along with V18 when i just successfully rendered the same video in V12? I am so confused. I am not gonna spend money on a new card just so V18 will play nice with it. My computer's main goal in life (besides world domination via Skynet) is for my DAW and Audio recording. The video card has worked flawless in this application on two different builds. So you are saying that V18 and my Video card are just incompatible?
Denicio
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