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Videoon 5/16/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
With the original footage I did repro the choppy issue and minimized it to an acceptable result. @Gid has also uploaded a Galaxy S23 footage, I studied the two files, found out where the main problem is hidden. HW conditions -> my SignatureProject: Render template default (I'm not cleverer than VEGAS engineers, thus use the GPU default one -> if my HW can't be interacting, for what did I invest? AVC=Advanced Video Codec;HEVC=High Efficiency Video Codec -> bestens for delivery. Recommendation: Every modern camera has its interne stabilization function, but even action cameras have their limitation - Please don't shake your lovely hands as if you were performing Kungfu. Exclusions: No debate about NLEs; when I use VEGAS then I attempt to utilize it including how to solve problems. No trans-/recode footage, unless VEGAS or my HW really can't deal with. No proxy, it prevents me judging my timeline's real preview -> if my RAMpreview sees a problem, it's a true one needing to be treated in alarm A. So do I focus on my RAMpreview and have found out: The "Legacy HEVC Decoding" is the handicap for VFR footage with high framerate. Disable it solved, at least minimized the issue @JD-RC. Thanks so much for taking all the time to help figure this out. Going to try settings in Vegas tonight.
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Videoon 5/16/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Tried a few things before bed last night. Voukoder did not work and the end result was the same (will mess with it more tonight). I 1st tried HandBrake to convert...but I must be using it incorrectly and the video was actually worse. I then downloaded shutter encoder, selected H264 (from what I remember...was late) & it worked! Seems very easy to use and the rendered video from Vegas came out as smooth as the direct file from the phone. Quality is slightly less but I will assume YouTube will render it all equal after the upload anyway. So overall I will just need to dump any s23 vids into the encoder before I use in Vegas as mentioned by Todd and others. I assume this wont be any sort of "patch" because it's probably a unique small issue I am having but I guess it would be nice if I did not have to convert the file 1st. No big deal I guess. Wanted to mention shooting 4k60 with my Gopro 11 does not have choppy renders from Vegas. John_Dennis....that file looked good to me as well. I could not appreciate you guys more for all the great advice and quick help. The new phone was a bit of a splurge item for me and my disappointment after the render was slightly more then I expressed here...lol.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
@JD-RC Btw, I'm really interested in how this works out for you. It so happens I'll be shooting something this coming weekend with an s23. And some Beast stuff which I should have sometime tomorrow. I assume shooting this in 2k would have not caused these issues...but what fun is that. Going to try Voukoder this week. Appreciate it and will update.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
I can't believe how helpful you all have been. I had 6 cameras rolling for that shoot (old cell phones and 2 gopro's ) so you can imagine my frustration when the one that's giving me issues rendering is the brand new s23 ultra. It takes me a very long time to thread that all together and the last thing I needed was my new phone that I thought would help, ended up making things more difficult...lol. The bounce to Resolve/Quicktime did seem to fix the choppy video but my lack of experience with all of these different formats has me struggling to do this efficiently and with high quality. Will dive deep into learning as much as I can about external (or using Resolve) for transcoding for the s23 vids. and make that a part of my routine for now. I have become very familiar with the editing section of Vegas & learning another program such as DaVinci is going to take away what little time I have to provide content for my little channel. Thanks so much for all of this great support. Super appreciate it.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Looks great! Gonna spend some time tonight making that workflow a bit quicker for me. Also will try the things Howard suggested...maybe if I can stop the issue on the camera side of things I wont need to transcode. Really appreciate all the help here guys. @JD-RC First of all there's nothing wrong with your phone, That's how all camera phones are, don't understand the technical reason behind it, but software has adapted to handle VFR better. You see that with YouTube being able to decode the phone video just fine, while Vegas will drop frames in areas creating the reduced frame rate problem and jerkiness in areas. The question still remains, Is Vegas terrible at processing Camera phone video and needs to be fixed or is every NLE likely to behave as poorly. We can answer that if you would upload your original camera footage to a file sharing site such as google drive, one drive, dropbox, mediafile, and place a link to your file here. Hopefully this works. If not I will create a drive setup (yea...I am a bit behind on tech things sorry). https://www.dropbox.com/s/apm6o26grx59cjq/carvideo.mp4?dl=0
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Looks great! Gonna spend some time tonight making that workflow a bit quicker for me. Also will try the things Howard suggested...maybe if I can stop the issue on the camera side of things I wont need to transcode. Really appreciate all the help here guys.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
I just tried rendering a small clip in DaVinci using "QuickTime"/H.264 at 4k and it looks just about as nice as the direct file. So I assume this is telling me it is an actual an issue in Vegas that either is set wrong or Vegas does not like my pc. I also tried re-installing 19 to no avail. I do have my old Vegas18 license and can see if it's a 19 thing...but would also assume that would be futile. Bouncing clips from one program to another is probably not a thing I would like to be doing. Will try adding that MOV file to Vegas and rendering it next.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
😁😁that's the closest one to your origins.Keep cool, we all have had this learning course behind us. Thanks so much. I have had Resolve on my pc for years and it looks like "transcode" changes are fairly straight forward. I can try in there as well if that's easier. I don't like the editing in Resolve but am willing to use it for conversions ect.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Downloaded your Ytube video in VP9-4kMKV format and transcoded into ProRes.Then imported into VEGAS, project settings exactly as yours, rendered with the 2nd default one (GPU, shown above). No jitters observed. I'm also very sensitive about such jitters/choppiness, in my past experience there were only 2 cases occurred with such jitters: AVC encoding and fxVideoStabilization in improper setting.I assume your source footage has no problem. Got to be honest ... I don't know what Ytube video in"VP9-4kMKV format and transcoded into ProRes" means (Googling now) . I have gone from making vertical 1080p videos to trying to render 4k stuff with 4 to 6 cameras sliced in within a two year period. I really appreciate all that you guys know and the help given...my learning curve is a bit on the slow side though so it may take a bit for me to figure out this stuff. Willing to try everything recommended. I really enjoy this hobby (making videos) so I want to get it looking as best as I can. The what seem like small studders drive me crazy.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Your source video is 60.000, your Project is 59.940. That will decimate one frame every 17 seconds. There may be other things at play, if you'll provide the media info for the rendered file as well. Thought of that as well lastnight...I did try at 60 fps (made no difference). Will work on getting all needed data posted.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Can you confirm what the source video is with MediaInfo? https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/ Format : MPEG-4Format profile : Base Media / Version 2Codec ID : mp42 (isom/mp42)File size : 801 MiBDuration : 1 min 49 sOverall bit rate : 61.6 Mb/sFrame rate : 60.000 FPSPerformer : Galaxy S23 UltraEncoded date : 2023-05-14 17:27:05 UTCcom.android.version : 13 VideoID : 1Format : HEVCFormat/Info : High Efficiency Video CodingFormat profile : Main@L5.1@HighCodec ID : hvc1Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video CodingDuration : 1 min 49 sSource duration : 1 min 49 sBit rate : 61.3 Mb/sWidth : 3 840 pixelsHeight : 2 160 pixelsDisplay aspect ratio : 16:9Frame rate mode : VariableFrame rate : 60.000 FPSMinimum frame rate : 59.840 FPSMaximum frame rate : 60.241 FPSReal frame rate : 60.000 FPSStandard : PALColor space : YUVChroma subsampling : 4:2:0Bit depth : 8 bitsBits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.123Stream size : 798 MiB (100%)Source stream size : 798 MiB (100%)Title : VideoHandleLanguage : EnglishEncoded date : 2023-05-14 17:27:05 UTCTagged date : 2023-05-14 17:27:05 UTCColor range : LimitedColor primaries : BT.709Transfer characteristics : BT.709Matrix coefficients : BT.709mdhd_Duration : 109161Codec configuration box : hvcC AudioID : 2Format : AAC LCFormat/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low ComplexityCodec ID : mp4a-40-2Duration : 1 min 49 sBit rate mode : ConstantBit rate : 256 kb/sChannel(s) : 2 channelsChannel layout : L RSampling rate : 48.0 kHzFrame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)Compression mode : LossyStream size : 3.33 MiB (0%)Title : SoundHandleLanguage : English
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Could you be so kind and make a snapshoot of the relevant part of the video? And load it up here? I can later today...but for now look at 0:11/0:12 (car on the deck) in the 1st video. Then 0:21/0:22 on the 2nd video. When the camera follows the car you can see how choppy the fence gets compared to the 1st video. These micro studders appear throughout the full rendered video and are not in the non rendered video.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Try to render with this default one - my machine has no Intel-CPU, so it's pure CPU computing: Just tried and same results (choppy video). I will also do a few of the other things suggested.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Frankly spoken, I do not see much difference between the two videos. Could you be so kind and describe it again better to me, what is not ok for you? I see some blocking artefacts, but that seems to be in both videos. Best way to see it is when the car gets up in the deck, the fence in the rendered video studders or gets choppy. It is doing this throughout the render in other spots of the video but I did not want to make everyone sit through a long video twice. It's just nowhere as smooth as the original file. I assumed it was a 4k rendering issue and hardware that could not handle it but is does it rendered in lower resolutions as well. I can clearly see the difference on 2k and 4k screens (no so much on my cell phone). It's almost like it's dropping a significant amount of frames (sorry I don't know the technical term for this). Obviously the screen grab posted (with the pixelation) is an issue as well and it's doing that in other spots of the render.
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Videoon 5/15/2023
4k video choppy after render- base video looks good.
Thanks all. I will try and do the suggested things after work today. I appreciate the help with this tremendously.
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Videoon 12/23/2021
VEGAS Pro 19 Build 458
My version won't install the update from 424. I have tried both installs (from popup and direct download link) three times and tried re-booting as well. It runs through it's paces on install but still bring up version 424 when I open the program. Any ideas? @JD-RC: Check your disk space. Often times the installer will appear to installer but fails (without an error) if it runs out of disk space. Man...I had room but it was sort of "close". Blew out a few things and it installed. Thanks so much!
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Videoon 12/22/2021
VEGAS Pro 19 Build 458
My version won't install the update from 424. I have tried both installs (from popup and direct download link) three times and tried re-booting as well. It runs through it's paces on install but still bring up version 424 when I open the program. Any ideas?
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Videoon 11/27/2021
Vegas 19 Post crash with Boris fx
How do you add the the fx? I had Vegas crashing when loading boris fx plugins from video effects tab but it was ok when used the event fx button. Strange but worked for me. Will try this today. Thanks for the tip. Using the tab now.
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Videoon 11/26/2021
Vegas 19 Post crash with Boris fx
New install of Vegas 19 Post. As soon as I click on the Primatte studio fx tab, Vegas crashes. How can I fix this? Having the same issue...new install of 19. Primatte click crashes it instantly. Tried the delete cashed (did not help).
JD-RC
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