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Videoon 1/1/2016
Youtube 4K question
thanks. I'm not really concerned with editing on the timeline as I simply use the original Go Pro 4 MP4 files with proxy editing which works fine for performance. I'm interested in the best output to ensure I don't lose any quality and get the best when I upload to YouTube for family / friends to see. From what you're saying it sounds like XAVC S Long would suffice then and anything else would no show a noticable difference.
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Videoon 1/1/2016
Youtube 4K question
Just to add more information for clarity. The media info reported for the original 4K Go Pro clip is as follows ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L5.1 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=15 Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 10s 377ms Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 60.0 Mbps Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.241 Stream size : 74.3 MiB (100%) Title : GoPro AVC Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2014-01-12 03:56:45 Tagged date : UTC 2014-01-12 03:56:45 Color range : Full Color primaries : BT.709 Transfer characteristics : BT.709 Matrix coefficients : BT.709 If we then look at a rendered clip from Vegas in XAVC Intra we see ID : 2 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High 4:2:2 Intra@L5.1 Format settings, CABAC : No Format settings, GOP : N=1 Format settings, wrapping mode : Frame Codec ID : 0D01030102106001-0401020201323001 Duration : 14s 848ms Bit rate : 274 Mbps Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps Standard : Component Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 10 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.102 Stream size : 485 MiB (99%) Color range : Limited Color primaries : BT.709 Transfer characteristics : BT.709 Matrix coefficients : BT.709 then XAVC long ID : 2 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L5.1 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15 Format settings, wrapping mode : Frame Codec ID : 0D01030102106001-0401020201314001 Duration : 14s 848ms Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 194 Mbps Maximum bit rate : 188 Mbps Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.781 Stream size : 344 MiB (99%) Transfer characteristics : BT.709 then XAVC S long ID : 2 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L5.1 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=16 Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 14s 848ms Bit rate : 114 Mbps Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.457 Stream size : 197 MiB (99%) Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2016-01-01 09:47:49 Tagged date : UTC 2016-01-01 09:47:49
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Videoon 1/1/2016
Youtube 4K question
Thanks Astar In relation to XAVC-I at >100Mbs I don't understand what you mean in relation to Sony Vegas. If you select any XAVC format intra or not there is no option to change the bit rate. If I use the "Match project settings" option in Vegas for the Go Pro 4 files the following are displayed 1) XAVC Intra 29.97p 2) XAVC Long 29.97p 3) XAVC S Long 29.97p
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Videoon 12/27/2015
Youtube 4K question
thanks all 1) Reviewing the YouTube specs it indicates 35-45 Mbps bit rate. I wonder how this equates to the render settings in Vegas e.g. the Variable Bit Rate option in Render As and the max and average you can set. I presume the max bit rate should be set to 45 in this case and the average? 2) astar you mention "Just choose an XAVC-I template that matches your media" so I presume this would be the best option. All "Sony XAVC" types appear when I click "Match project settings" i.e. XAVC Intra , XAVC Long and XAVC S Long. What do you mean by "I say upload intra frame content that was produced at that level in the 1st place." do you mean choose XAVC Intra here? However if I select the Sony XAVC template I don't have any option to set the max / average bit rate if I try and customise the template.
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Videoon 12/26/2015
Youtube 4K question
thanks Bruce, can you be even more specific i.e. what specific render template did you use? Did you change any options to customise the template? I also have a 4K camera Go Pro Hero 4 Black and keen to get the maximum quality uploaded YouTube will allow.
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Videoon 9/19/2015
4k rendering issues - Windows 10?
A bit more googling and I find the answer at least in my case. I had to disable GPU video rendering and use the CPU which then worked fine.
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Videoon 9/19/2015
4k rendering issues - Windows 10?
Could anyone confirm whether they can successfully render using Sony Vegas 13 4K GoPro black files to a 4K format? I can't seem to get any to render without hanging. Thanks
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Videoon 6/20/2015
4K camera choices and Vegas
Thanks All for your thoughts so far. It does seem like the DVX200 will be the best choice in the mid term given its larger sensor. However I really do need a new camera in the next 4 weeks before my summer vacation. I currently have nothing other than Go Pro 4 / 3 cameras. With that in mind I'm wondering which camera reaches the best price / performance point right now e.g. HC-X1000E. It really does need 60fps and even poor low light isn't essential given most of my home videos are outside / sunny days ( yes we do have them in the UK sometimes ! )
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Videoon 3/29/2015
Any recommendations for Vegas tutorials on iPad
thanks Peter, yes I was really after one single resource which could cover all topics broadly I could simply download for offline viewing.
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Videoon 3/20/2015
Why does Vegas choke on GoPro 1080p60 files
I tried this fix with 1080p 120fps files from my go pro black edition. It still seems very slow to preview although this is still whilst using proxies oddly enough. I thought the creation of proxies always provided quick performance.
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Videoon 1/4/2015
Go Pro 4K Black 4K 30fps tips / discussion
relaxvideo - yes interesting I just learnt this too http://cheesycam.com/gopro-studio-flux-slow-motion-option/. It seems the flux feature is free in go pro studio and does interpolation. I actually use the clips in Vegas by dragging them directly in and rarely edit in go pro studio but nice they offer this for free. geebax - thanks yes handbrake may help as a last resort. Although I really dislike putting the video through so many encoders e.g. go pro -> vegas -> mercalii -> handbrake. I presume the quality suffers a little at each re encoding stage even if you specify high bit rates. proDad are quite responsive so hopefully they'll fix this soon
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Videoon 1/3/2015
Go Pro 4K Black 4K 30fps tips / discussion
thanks all, in relation to 3) using Mercalii. I generated a 4K file from Sony Vegas fine from the Go Pro Clips which uploaded to YouTube also fine here . However when I used the Mercalli export option after attempting to stabalise the video it didn't appear to be recognised by YouTube. HEVC/H265 ( mov ). It states this is the codec to use for 4K as a new feature in Mercalii v4.0. I have raised this with the support team and awaiting an answer. This is the generated MediaInfo from the output file Complete name : I:\data\MERCALII\4kSkiXAVCS-tryout.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt File size : 4.16 GiB Duration : 5mn 14s Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 114 Mbps Writing application : Lavf56.13.100 Video ID : 1 Format : HEVC Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding Format profile : Main@L5.0 Codec ID : hev1 Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding Duration : 5mn 14s Bit rate : 113 Mbps Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.455 Stream size : 4.15 GiB (100%) Language : English
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Videoon 12/29/2014
Go Pro 3 Black Pro Tune files - render settings
Right,. In hindsight I shot so much video hours a day I should have captured some. I'd have been interested too.
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Videoon 12/29/2014
Go Pro 3 Black Pro Tune files - render settings
Sure I just came back from a ski trip and shot this in 4K 30fps with the Black v4
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Videoon 12/29/2014
Go Pro 3 Black Pro Tune files - render settings
Sorry I didnt notice this. I don't use Quicktime now. In fact I reverted to simply turning Pro Tune off completely as I have shot video in the new Go Pro 4 Black without this.
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Videoon 11/23/2014
Good laptop for video editing
thanks OldSmoke, yes a quick googling found this very post https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/980085 The last comment is interesting "Basically, Main Concept has been shuffled around as a business, being bought first by DivX, then Roxio, and recently sold off. During the years it was owned by Roxio, pretty much nothing happened on the AVC CODEC -- no improvements, no unlocking it for newer GPUs. Sony's still bundling it, and it's actually going to produce better quality video on the CPU (keep the GPU set for Vegas itself, but don't use the Main Concept GPU setting for production video unless you're willing to take somewhat worse quality video). Of course, if you're using any recent GPU, it's not something to worry about -- you ARE using the CPU for the CODEC-specific part of the render."
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Videoon 11/23/2014
Good laptop for video editing
thanks. final delivery format will be a mixture of blu ray images, M2TS, MP4 files and DVDs. I saw models such as this targeted for gamers http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyberpower-FANGBOOK-15-6-inch-Laptop-Windows/dp/B00LXZ1NJ8 However wouldn't the specs be similar for someone editing video i.e. we see i7 2.8 16GB ram and Nvidia GTX 860M
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Videoon 11/1/2014
Correcting washed out bright video
Thanks Kimberly I can certainly give that tool a go. Does it have underwater settings then or is there a good preset to use for this type of issue? I also uploaded a short video http://1drv.ms/1vtUUc2
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Videoon 11/1/2014
60 fps on YouTube
Has anyone tried this at all on 1080p 60fps footage from a go pro? Do you know if its better to render with a specific file type other than MP4? Or add any specific tags to the output video? Thanks
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Videoon 9/7/2014
GoPro Black edition 1080 60p render settings
thanks muscvid However editing the go pro 3 files works fine on the timeline so don't think I need to convert any more before importing into Vegas. My question is just which render settings are ideal to output and play on the PS3 whilst retaining the 50 / 60fps for smoothness but also ensuring its not choppy. I would have format someone would have a standard template of settings for this. Does anyone play back these files on the PS3 / PS4? If so what settings do you use?
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Videoon 8/24/2014
GoPro Black edition 1080 60p render settings
Thanks all So using mediainfo if I see this for the clip General Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : JVT Codec ID : avc1 File size : 127 MiB Duration : 23s 168ms Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 45.9 Mbps Encoded date : UTC 2013-07-16 16:46:17 Tagged date : UTC 2013-07-16 16:46:17 AMBA : Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.2 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=8 Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 23s 156ms Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 45.0 Mbps Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 59.940 fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.362 Stream size : 125 MiB (99%) Title : GoPro AVC Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2013-07-16 16:46:17 Tagged date : UTC 2013-07-16 16:46:17 Color primaries : BT.709 Transfer characteristics : BT.709 Matrix coefficients : BT.709 Here I see two bit rates one listed under general as 45.9 M bps and one in video as 45 Mbps, why is their a difference here and what does this mean? In my render settings I assume I should use 45 and variable? So should I use MPEG or Sony AVC? And which template under that e.g. under Sony AVC we see AVCHD and also Blu Ray? "Then use handbrake or ripbot264 with frameserver." I'm not familiar with this however I did want to find a solution using Vegas output options. It provides so many formats I was hoping one of them would work fine. "The free GoPro Studio Cineform is designed to do exactly what you need. Footage can be regular GoPro or Protune. Generally handles great on the Vegas timeline." What do you mean GoPro Studio Cineform is designed to do this? I want to render using Vegas and not Cineform though i.e. all my trims are in Vegas. I thought Cineform was only useful when you want to process raw Protune files. I deliberately avoid pro tune so I didn't have to do any post processing on the generated files Also wouldn't it be nice if Vegas has a feature which could capture everything in the file e.g the bit rate and simply set in a custom template like we see in "match project settings".
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Videoon 5/5/2014
4K Video editing and Sony FDR AX1E
Thanks OldSmoke, actually I see your point as others are indicating it's often related to the sensor size too. I'm now also thinking the same i.e. I'm going to Australia where most of the film I take won't be fast motion sports day time event, it will be stable looking at wild life / landscapes. In this case 4K 30P from the FDR AX100 should be very good. My best 1080p 60 fps camera is the Sony HDR TD10 which is fine and can complement the 4K camera. The FDR AX100 is also a lot more portable too so could be a good short / medium term option like you say until the larger sensors come out
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Videoon 5/4/2014
4K Video editing and Sony FDR AX1E
I agree John I'm also thinking of the FDR-AX1E precisely because of the 60p. I've had 30p cameras before and they really aren't good for family vacations / sporting events as you say. I would only regret this if I bought so this is a must. However having said that I also noticed Sony also have another camera PXW-Z100 http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/broadcast-products-camcorders-xdcam/pxw-z100/overview which has a huge increase in bit rate of 500 / 600 mpbs. Given this camera is only slightly more than the FDR AX1E for such a big difference in bit rate it seems worth looking at. Also related to my original post does anyone have experience with these cameras editing directly in Vegas Pro? Does it require a large amount of processing power? Can proxys still be used? Thanks
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Videoon 4/29/2014
4K Video editing and Sony FDR AX1E
thanks all, OldSmoke I was surprised to hear FDR-AX100 has a better sensor. Have you noticed the difference between the FDR AX1E in that its very apparent? I always thought large lenses / sensors meant it captured more light so would be better. If that's the case then yes if its more portable I'd certainly prefer that camera.
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