OldSmoke

Offline, Last login 7/8/2020, Member since 8/23/2016

OldSmoke wrote on 5/9/2018, 5:51 PM

Forgot, the successor of the Fury with HBM is the new Vega series with HMB2 available up to 8GB.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

OldSmoke wrote on 5/9/2018, 5:50 PM

Yes, Fury X is still a very good card. Have you tried eBay? It’s not that Nvidia doesn’t support OpenCL, they just don’t es well as AMD cards. The reason is Nvidia’s development of CUDA and now NVENC. Every software developer using that API has to pay for it, OpenCL is, well, open to everyone. I do believe the latest Nvidia cards have now better drivers to support OpenCL better but still not as good as AMD.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

steve-kauzlarich wrote on 5/9/2018, 4:56 PM

So then the fury? I only see used Furys on Amazon. And Nvidia doesn't support OpenCL that I can find.

OldSmoke wrote on 5/9/2018, 2:04 PM

Well, I don’t see the 580X as an upgrade. It uses GDDR5 and a narrow 256bit memory bandwidth; the only good think it got going are the 8GB of VRAM.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

steve-kauzlarich wrote on 5/9/2018, 1:53 PM

I was off on my Sapphire card. I opened the computer yesterday and realized that it wasn't a Sappire 280, but rather a Sapphire 290x. I'm leaning towards the Sapphire Radeon RX 580 as an upgrade.

OldSmoke wrote on 5/7/2018, 4:59 PM

I do recommend it Fury but is it the "X" like Fury-X or just Fury? The chips are slightly different. What I was trying to say earlier is that eventually your CPU, FSB, RAM and so on become a bottle neck. If it's really a Fury-X for $450, go for it.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

steve-kauzlarich wrote on 5/7/2018, 4:33 PM

Thanks OldSmoke. That's pretty much what I'm thinking too. But you wouldn recommend the Fury at this time? I can get one for about $450. You know how it is when a client is sitting next to you watching poor performance. You hear little rumblings like "Premier wouldn't do that".

I wish Magix would just state the obvious and stop this BS guessing game. It's a waste of time for us - the end-user, more commonly referred to as the customer.

OldSmoke wrote on 5/7/2018, 2:25 PM

Well, none of the cards you currently have, maybe the GTX9800, give you any benefits in Vegas 13/14. The M2000 and GTX760 should help i’m VP15 which now supports those cards. If timeline performance is what you are after, a 280x or 290x off eBay is a good and low cost investment. Anything more powerful will not make a difference with the current CPUs and motherboards, it just can’t shuffle the frames to fro GPU fast enough to put some serious load on the GPU.

I honestly doubt VP15 will get better in the near future, I hope but I have serious doubts. Meaning, stick with VP13/14 for next 24month and make your upgrade decision based on that.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

steve-kauzlarich wrote on 5/7/2018, 1:44 PM

Hi OldSmoke:

I use the newer system regularly for editing industrial training videos for a single Silicone valley client with lots of volume.  The other system I use as a second workstation when I have two independent projects with independent producer/directors working in parallel. 

So I want to put a new card in the Primary (Boxx) system and put the Sapphire 280 back into the older system. 

The Sapphire 280 is the only card that cured my timeline performance problem.  I usually have 100 projects on a timeline at a time, separated by regions.  I then output the named regions using Vegasaur. So overnight renders are not a problem. More than 100 regions on the timeline and the system shows signs of bogging down and it takes about 60 seconds to restart Vegas.

Each region is a separate (short) training module that averages about 2 minutes with about 20 cuts/dissolves, filters (unsharp mask, density corection, etc) and narration.

I create a 20mbs 720p submaster and use Handbreak set on the placebo mode for final rendering.


My newer system is:

Boxx

Intel Z170 Chipset

8 core @ 4GHz

32 gigs ram

500 Gig SSD

2 x 6T HD

Sapphire R9 280

 

My older system is:

Dell Precision Workstation 7400

Intel 5400 Chipset

8 core Xeon E5430 @ 2.66

32 gigs ram

128 gig SSD

2T HD

NVidia Quadro M-2000

 

Additional useless cards are:

Geforce GTX 760

Geforce 9800 GTX

OldSmoke wrote on 5/6/2018, 6:40 PM

Which models are your older Nvidia cards and what is your motherboard and CPU like?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)