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Videoon 8/8/2019
VP17:What a big difference!!!!!
Megabit, my 4k 10 bit Gh5 footage plays at a decent clip without hardware decoding acceleration (I have an AMD GPU that isn't supported yet, and no quicksync), so something must be up with your setup. I do still proxy for multicam, but just one angle at a time does ok. Yes - after comparing what people write here with my own, poor results - I come to the same conclusion. But what may be wrong, if in Resolve or Scratch or Nuke I am still getting full 50 fps so easily? This is a long shot, but perhaps the mere presence of 2 GPUs in my system makes Vegas 17 lost on how to use one of them? The 2160/50p files play back at a maximum of some 35 fps, with or without GPU acceleration enabled! The only other possibility is that VP 17 can't work well with architectural quirks of my 2990WX ... How does one report a support ticket with Magix? Piotr
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Videoon 8/7/2019
VP17:What a big difference!!!!!
Unfortunately, NONE of acquisition formats I use can be played back at full 50p (not in UHD)! @megabit On what system are you using Vp17? On my i7-8700k with AMD RX570 I can play UHDp50 AVC footage from a GH5 in a UHDp50 project with the internal preview 1920x1080 Best(Full) with 50fps indication. Here a screen shot with the GPU loads. The CPU is loaded by 42% Just see my signature (you will be surprised)... Also - since I grade for HDR10 - I only record in 10bit, 4:2:2 mode which is why all my GH5 internally-recorded clips are just 25p; when I need 50p (most of the time) I grab my Shogun Inferno. But even those files cannot be played at full 50 fps in Best/Full settings, and with my reference monitor connected via Decklink! It's so weird I'd be suspecting something bad is happening to my workstation - but it's enough to open Resolve or Assimilate Scratch or The Foundry Nuke and bang! - all my clips/projects play back at full 50 fps speed again! Piotr
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Videoon 8/7/2019
VP17:What a big difference!!!!!
It's OK, order-wise. If only the AVC format was accelerated like HEVC, Vegas 17 would be the first new version I'd buy after a long divorce... Unfortunately, NONE of acquisition formats I use can be played back at full 50p (not in UHD)!
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Videoon 8/7/2019
17: hardware acceleration
Also, you wrote: "There's nothing inferior about taking that route. Windows HDR is the exact same quality as HDR through any hardware output card." Oh yes, there is - GPU's colors are Windows - dependent and as such, they may only happen to be accurate, while dedicated I/O device like one of those from BMD are OS-agnostic, colorwise. Lots of discussions on this very topic on the BMD's Resolve user forum...
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Videoon 8/6/2019
17: hardware acceleration
@fr0sty, my Friend - the funny part is that the only projects I actually sold to people on BDs and DVDs) have also been multi-camera, classical music performances of some world-class musicians I edited, graded and authored using Vegas Pro software :) In Resolve I only did some features and shorts I did in most part for free (but then, video/film shooting and editing is just my serious hobby, or second profession).. So when I'm saying now that - if I were to continue such M-C projects in "out-of-the-window" look (meaning UHD resolution and 50 fps) - unfortunately, I couldn't do it in Vegas Pro in its current state. Of course, I could use proxies etc. - but what's the point if Resolve cuts through like it was butter? Unfortunately, multi-camera editing is still much better in Vegas - and that's why I'm disappointed when every new release still has playback acceleration problems. And I don't need to explain to you how important the absolutely smooth playback is when you must keep all 6-10 in perfect A/V sync... Piotr
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Videoon 8/6/2019
17: hardware acceleration
It's what your graphics card does, not what Magix Chose. Fair enough. I also agree that T/L playback - especially using Decklink - is slightly smoother than in previous versions... It is smoother - because the ACES workflow utilizes now some GPU support. If that is enough for you - seems to be not the case. Vegas does not utilize 2xGPUs by now, maybe that is the issue why Resolve performs still better for your XAVC-I footage. No, Wolfgang - seeing in the Windows Task Manager how low is the usage of one of my 2 GPUs during playback (decoding), the low playback speed is an issue more related to the quality of acceleration algorithm and not the quantity of separate GPUs. Were the load close to 100% I would agree that Vegas should be capable of using each and all GPUs it finds in the system. Also - since my comments about accelerating the XAVC-I format, I managed to check all the others I'm using (XAVC-S from A7Rii, Prores or DNxHR from Shogun Inferno, and last but not least - AVC from my GH5) - and it turns out the worst results I'm getting involve the AVC format, which - along HEVC - is supposed to have gotten best GPU acceleration in the 17... Go and figure. Cheers Piotr
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Videoon 8/6/2019
17: hardware acceleration
Frankly speaking - no, I didn't send a support ticket yet. I think it's too early for me - I must test the playback speed - related issues really thoroughly and in all possible usage scenarios before I'm 100% sure of my observations; if I could suggest anything at the moment would be adding ability of I/O devices like Decklink to send the HDR10 trigger to the UHD TV whenever the project is set to HDR10 in its properties; I guess Magix has relied more on the Windows 10 GPU "HDR" display mode, which is inferior - plus, when using a proper I/O card, there is currently no way to tell the HDR-capable TV to switch into its HDR10 mode (not speaking about HLG as my Samsung doesn't support it, anyway). Regards Piotr
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Videoon 8/6/2019
17: hardware acceleration
Shame on you, Magix! Vegas 17 in its current state cannot be used for any serious work at all. @megabit Please refrain from shaming our developers hard work. I've seen a tone of positive feedback so far and the criticism we are getting, we are taking very seriously. Have you opened a support ticket? Sometimes, when it comes to very technical issues, it is better to talk one on one to get to the bottom of things. This is also an opportunity to share your material with us. Dear Mathias - it wasn't my intent to depreciate your team's hard work, so if you got such impression I apology. The directions Vegas is evolving to are great - and when it gets there, it will again become my favorite NLE it used to be it the times of nVidia's Maxwell architecture. As you can see, even though I've been using Resolve for almost 3 years now I'm still looking forward to each new Vegas Pro release with great hopes. I'm sure one day I'll return to Vegas Pro - at least with some type of work, like multi-camera projects... Please, keep to good work, and Best of luck to you and the Magix team! Thanks and Best Regards Piotr PS. I understand very well this is the very first release of the newest version, and my criticism only applies to it. As I said: Vegas is evolving in the best direction imaginable!
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Videoon 8/6/2019
17: hardware acceleration
Sorry, but Windows 10's "HDR mode" of the GPU cannot even compare to what you get on appropriate monitor or UHD TV which switches into true HDR mode when it senses the trigger sent by Decklink. At least on my Samsung, the former looks more like its own "fake HDR" - while the latter still has this "wow factor" to it, even after 2 years of my watching it every day!
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Videoon 8/6/2019
17: hardware acceleration
And finally: has anyone using video i/o card like Decklink managed to switch it into HDR10 mode with appropriate monitor? Vegas reports HDR10 active, scopes are HDR-style (0-1000 nits) - but my Decklink works in SDR mode...
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Videoon 8/6/2019
17: hardware acceleration
"NEW: GPU accelerated decoding for AVC/HEVC" Apparently the decoding only works for AVC/HEVC, not XAVC as of now. OK, so I tried the "accelerated" AVC format (UHD@25p) from my GH5. OMG, what a mess! Even in just a 8-bit project, Vegas 17 is unable to play back those long-GOP H.264 clips at full speed (just shy of 24 fps internally, a mere 21 fps with Decklink monitor active). Plus - have no idea why - the image is so noisy that if I didn't know it's in fact perfectly clean (in Resolve or any software video player), I'd panic my GH5 is broken! Very similar results with my A7Rii's XAVC-S. My XAVC-I UHD@50p clips (and also DNxHR or Prores from Shogun Inferno) are unable to play back faster than just several fps - but this is in 32-bit ACES projects, plus the picture is clean at least... Shame on you, Magix! Vegas 17 in its current state cannot be used for any serious work at all.
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Videoon 8/5/2019
17: hardware acceleration
It's what your graphics card does, not what Magix Chose. Fair enough. I also agree that T/L playback - especially using Decklink - is slightly smoother than in previous versions...
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Videoon 8/5/2019
17: hardware acceleration
So it looks - and this is a silly decision, at least with its HEVC part. This is not an aquisition format, so I don't edit or grade HEVC! MAGIX should have focused on true acceleration of H.264 in its many flavors (like the XAVC, for instance)... Probably because the GPUs have dedicated hardware support to decode those formats already. Whatever - please let me stand by my opinion that Magix should have known better, and mend the H.264 HW acceleration rather than assign resources to accelerating HEVC playback in Vegas... Heck - we usually deliver in HEVC (at least those of us who need the very compact final movies capable of HDR) - so we rarely play them back in Vegas at all (OK, at least I don't). Hardware encoding HEVC is another thing; I do it very often in Resolve to quickly check my results before I do the final export pass - this time using CPU, which gives better quality...
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Videoon 8/5/2019
17: hardware acceleration
Having said all this, please don't make wrong; I used to love Vegas Pro and hope I return to it one day. When we were doing HD, editing my multi-camera (up to 10, sometimes) BDs (sold as DVDs) with classical music performed by world-class musicians was really a pleasure (at the time of Vegas Pro version 13, the GTX 570 card (Maxwell) was enough to accelerate all angles at preview/half quality windows (I used to do it on 3 monitors, with one displaying all windowed streams and another - the currently chosen one, full screen). But from then on, and with all (including the current) nVidia GPU architectures, it wan't possible any more. It really beats me why, and I admit I'm pessimistic about it being possible again... Pity, because Resolve isn't particularly great when it comes to M-C precise cutting and synchronizing. But - who knows? Just not this time, yet :( Piotr
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Videoon 8/5/2019
17: hardware acceleration
So it looks - and this is a silly decision, at least with its HEVC part. This is not an aquisition format, so I don't edit or grade HEVC! MAGIX should have focused on true acceleration of H.264 in its many flavors (like the XAVC, for instance)...
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Videoon 8/5/2019
17: hardware acceleration
2x RTX 2080Ti (GPU) and 2990WX (CPU). In Resolve, I can do full CC and grading of my FS7 clips and still play them back at full 50 fps (ACES or RCM). Only when I add TNR and/or OFX node(s) do I need to cache...
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Videoon 9/28/2018
New Nvidia 20xx cards give improved NVENC quality & Open cl speed
https://www.morele.net/karta-graficzna-msi-geforce-rtx-2080-duke-8g-oc-rtx-2080-duke-8g-oc-4141834/ :-) Piotr
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Videoon 9/27/2018
New Nvidia 20xx cards give improved NVENC quality & Open cl speed
Interesting. If you encode something for HDR footage, then you use the HEVC encoder in Vegas and other NLEs. At least at the moment. To bring in metadata for HDR takes place also in the HEVC encoder only. We have no AV1 implementation up to now. However, as someone who has started to test the HDR workflow in Vegas Pro 16, based on log footage of my EVA1 but also FS7, I can state that this works - the HEVC footage plays back in a fine way on my HDR Sony TV. Off course, as every time with emerging technological change there are different opinions about HDR. Up to you what you think about the development of that in future. Hi Bunch; it's been a long time! As I might be totally not up-to-date, please tell me: - how is VP 16 doing regarding RTX 2080ti new acceleration? - what's your workflow of HDR HEVC encoding using Vegas? Thanks Piotr
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Messageson 1/10/2018
[Release] VEGAS Pro 15 – Inspiration Meets Productivity
Ach, OK - the AVC/AAC renderer has indeed benefited, I hear. Unfortunately I don't use it - and in other tasks, running Vegas with my nVidia turned off (CPU only) is still much quicker and less crash-prone... Piotr
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Messageson 1/10/2018
[Release] VEGAS Pro 15 – Inspiration Meets Productivity
Excuse me Gary - I'm sure you at Magix are doing your best, but nevertheless may I ask you this question: what is it that "you've done with nVidia"? My GTX1080 card is still hardly used (nor for timeline playback acceleration, nor for rendering)... Thanks Piotr
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Videoon 12/21/2017
Vegas Pro - Intel HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 rendering
Yep - the HEVC delivery format (also HDR UHD) is always 10bit 420. This is so mainly to limit the deliverable' size and due to most Premium UHD TVs bitrate limit on input. Piotr
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Messageson 8/30/2017
VEGAS Pro 15 release date
Exactly... I'd like to know if I pass on the $249 upgrade now, and VP16 will at last offer the basic stuff I need - will I be able to upgrade from my VP14, or have to pay the full price for that VP 16 release... Piotr
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Messageson 8/29/2017
[Release] VEGAS Pro 15 – Inspiration Meets Productivity
@megabit We wish you all the best. Hopefully you will find another software and community which suits you better. Matthias - like most of us here, I've been with Vegas (and this great community here) for so many years that it's not an easy thing to give up. But I'll tell you what: if Magix is still planning for VP to become a really modern NLE, why not make me an alpha-tester of your very early concepts in hardware acceleration, HDR grading - i.e. all this that VP15 is still missing? I'll do it free for you, but you would provide me with free Vegas builds. My productin I've doing in Resolve for 2 years now anyway, so I guess my proposal is a fair one. Piotr
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Videoon 8/29/2017
VEGAS Pro 15 build 177 General Discussion
I meant preview; encoding is another matter and yes - even with Resolve export, the HEVC HDR flag I still add using ffmpeg.... Piotr
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