@xcxz-a I'm not sure what you mean... spending their energy in the wrong place. It seems that they have spent their energy in several places to make things easier. Why not have split screen? In Pinnacle, you can save them. And they are easy to create. Look how easy it is and then tell me they've spent their energy in the wrong place. I've had nested timelines in Pinnacle for years along with sub projects, 3/4point timeline editing, etc...

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Of course they aren't exporting in the variety of formats the pro editors do. But they are consume editors appealing to consumers.

As I wrote above, I edit in Vegas. But there are those times when I don't want to re-invent the wheel....

@Dexcon a friend of mine who uses both HFP and VP wrote me the first time he saw their first video like that. He said the handwriting is on the wall. I don't know if they are going "consumer", but the people who they are trying to reach with their "new" tutorials are certainly not the type to spend hours tweaking masks.... so maybe a stripped down version? It's been over 9 months now with no real news. That's an eternity in video editing software world. Not even a bug fix.

First, let's make something absolutely clear:

A professional software that does not entail being able to do everything. A professional software simply means that it offers the features professionals need on their day-to-day. If some programmer in a dank basement invents a line of code that does one niche effect or process better or more efficiently then a professional software does, then that's the reality of it. Does it cause a dent in the professional software's credibility as a professional software? Absolutely not.

Secondly, here's something an actual professional will tell you:

If you have the budget, save your time and buy the software and put it next to your professional software.

There is absolutely no rule that tells you that you can't use an effect you accomplished on a mobile app in conjunction with VEGAS/Premiere/Resolve/Imovie/Movie Maker to get you the final product.

As long as the product is polished, finished and professional, then you are a professional editor. Full stop.


 

That's too romantic; a professional software is: essential instruments for monitoring industrial standardized productions. It was extreme important e.g. for NLE that time that video through air transmitted. It is also necessary today if you wanna publish your vid onto YT etc.

@Yelandkeil I agree that "professional" software is a better choice for certain situations. But not every situation.

Here is Pinnacle's color setup. No, not quite on the level of Vegas, but for a "consumer" app, it can produce quality video. 99% of my editing is with Vegas. But there is that 1-5% where other software is just better for a particular effect/situation.

Most everyone here has more than one editor.

It's still poetic!

"Quality video" doen't mean industrial standard(ized). That's the point.

Render/batch render into different color spaces e.g. is one more professional add-on. And how much fxs/transitions, that's minor matter for a proNLE.

This thread is not about pro and consumer NLE, but about the inability of Vegas to produce a border around an event that has a changed aspect ratio after cropping.

 

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It's good, a lot of manual control to easily craft exactly what you want, as you would expect for a plugin in a professional editor , not merely a choice of templates with minimal options seen on more consumer editors.

The 'plugin' that i'm most excited about currently is the AI driven depth map seen in Resolve Studio 18 beta. You see it being used in phone camera software to create shallow depth of field, and by social media apps to create green screen backgrounds without having a green screen (usually low quality)

Some might say it's got consumer grade written all over it, doesn't belong in a pro editor, pro's know how to rotoscope and keyframe, but if it can work reliably in a wide array of scenes to save time I don't see why anyone wouldn't use it and that would be true for a built in Vegas Picture in picture VFX as good as Pinnacle's

@3POINT you are right. This isn't and shouldn't be a debate about "pro" vs "consumer" editors. We are here because we use Vegas "Pro", but would like to see some things improved to make the software better, and yes, easier to use.

I agree that the ability to place a border around an event, even though it's dimensions have changed (cropped), should be available to the user. The OP was also looking for a faster way to do this with multiple images.

@Reyfox Indeed, Vegaspro Borderfx has always been an issue through all Vegasversions, however I can remember that it sometimes worked as expected.

This thread is not about pro and consumer NLE, but about the inability of Vegas to produce a border around an event that has a changed aspect ratio after cropping.

Right now, there is a way, though it is admittedly not so pretty.

1. Apply the Crop plug-in to your image and crop it as desired
2. Apply Track Motion to the track that holds the cropped image
3. Activate the 2D Glow parameter and set the Blur to 0%

This will give you a border that conforms to the crop. Unfortunately, it's not perfect and might require some tweaking depending upon the position of the image, but it does work.

That aside, we can potentially provide a simpler way by adding a border control to the Crop plug-in. I've written this request up and it is now in our backlog. No promises on a delivery date, but it's a solid request. Thanks for bringing it up.

And finally, we have always believed that VEGAS should be part of your toolkit and recognize it is not the only tool you use. Our goal is to make it less and less necessary for you to grab for other tools, so features like this one are important to that end. But no tool does everything for everyone, and those that try to (or pretend to) only disappoint.

I wish you never had to use another tool. Reality dictates otherwise. But we can work to minimize the time you have to spend elsewhere, like in this case. We'll keep working on it.

@gary-rebholz Thanks for your feedback and for further improvement of Vegas.

@xcxz-a I'm not sure what you mean... spending their energy in the wrong place. It seems that they have spent their energy in several places to make things easier. Why not have split screen? In Pinnacle, you can save them. And they are easy to create. Look how easy it is and then tell me they've spent their energy in the wrong place. I've had nested timelines in Pinnacle for years along with sub projects, 3/4point timeline editing, etc...

This is from 4 years ago @Former user .....

Of course they aren't exporting in the variety of formats the pro editors do. But they are consume editors appealing to consumers.

As I wrote above, I edit in Vegas. But there are those times when I don't want to re-invent the wheel....

@Dexcon a friend of mine who uses both HFP and VP wrote me the first time he saw their first video like that. He said the handwriting is on the wall. I don't know if they are going "consumer", but the people who they are trying to reach with their "new" tutorials are certainly not the type to spend hours tweaking masks.... so maybe a stripped down version? It's been over 9 months now with no real news. That's an eternity in video editing software world. Not even a bug fix.

WOW that is one cool and smooth workflow! Drawing the split lines in any direction, quickly editing their thickness, quickly positioning the clips...Vegas would profit enormously from such a workflow. A dedicated split screen editor - brilliant! I love splitscreens, but they are admittedly somewhat tedious to design in Vegas.

I can confirm that the border fx only works for me if the gpu options are turned off. [my gpu is intel] with gpu on, the border is drawn around the frame of the un-cropped clip. With cpu only the frame is drawn around the clipped area only.

And I would certainly agree that a huge plus to vegas would be a split screen editor.

In the meantime, adding some border features to pip and some other fx could help. And for the pan-crop to also put edit handles on the preview window, like pip and titles and other tools do.

Update: I had to re-install my Intel iRIS Graphics Driver. I have now managed to install the latest version... and now the border fx works in Vegas. Phew!