2 cam mix of Concert

Yahoo_Serious wrote on 12/19/2003, 9:10 PM

I just finished a 2 cam mix ( my first!) and I am seeing the limitations of not having one of the master tapes.
One was shot on Mini DV and the other on Hi8 tape,
The Hi8 images aresmooth while the firstgeneration VHS of the DV footage is too sharp and shows some white bleeding around the subjects.
Id like to filter or effects this to normalize the entire video mix without dulling down the details too much.
I tried to import the DVDA file that I created with vegas into VirtualDUBMOD without any success.Help with importing into VD or any filters or effects that would help me and of course advise would be highly appreciated ( no I cant get my hands on the other master*0) )
Thanks and great minds in this forum!
Yahoo!

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farss wrote on 12/19/2003, 10:02 PM

First mistake is starting with the DVDA file, I assume you mean an mpeg file?
I don't think you can import that into VD and as a matter of interest why are you trying anyway? There are some fancy filters availabel in the VD world that aren't in VV but you really should only be going down that path if you really have to or haven't got an NLE which obviously you do.

Your biggest issue though is that when the footage was copied from DV to VHS a lot of detail was lost and a whole lot of stuff that you don't want was added such noise. I don't know whay you've said the VHS dub was too sharp, much of the DV sharpness would have been lost when it was copied to VHS.

Anyway I'd try adding some gaussion blur to the VHS, start from less than none and work up. This will reduce the sharpness and help cancel out the noise. You can get better results with the median filter but the render times are HUGE.

To see what you're doing put a bit of footage from one source on one track and the other on a track above. You can then just turn the top track on and off to compare or use track motion so the top track only covers half the frame to see how it compares.

Spot|DSE wrote on 12/19/2003, 11:34 PM

You can also do a split screen, capturing to clipboard, one frame of the 'best' looking part of either shot, then splitting the screen and viewing half from clipboard, andhalf from actual, correction processing footage. Use the scopes to help you see where to go with color correction, etc.
the white blooms you describe could be illegal colors, or bleed that exceeds the resolution of the VHS. either way, you've got a lot to do. Try the blur as Farss suggests, then try doubling the track up and putting sharpness on it. Then reduce to 1/2 opacity or to a point that it blends well

craftech wrote on 12/20/2003, 5:39 AM

Transcode the Hi8 footage to DV through your camera into the computer via "Capture". Then capture the MiniDV footage. Put them both up on the timeline and use the color correction and filtering tools to match them as closely as possible.
Then render them in whichever format you choose. Work with short loops until you get what you are after in order to cut down on render time while you are experimenting.

You never said what the final format will be. Is it a DVD or VHS or both?

John

Yahoo_Serious wrote on 12/20/2003, 8:58 AM

Thank you all for all of the freindly advice!
I was thinking about what I read about the dynamics of VV overnight and wonder if after I find the proper filter/FX that that I could modify the original DV Mpeg that I imported into VV for the project and the .veg that I created would still use the mpeg source even though it had been modified.(?) THis would mean that I wouldnt have to go from cut to cut and apply the fx chain to the entire project but instead just the footage of the DV cam.Is this right or will the veg file be differnt and not allow the progect to keep the same mix?
To address the replys craftech I really like the entire look of the Hi8 footage and would prefer to try to match the dv to it.
Fars I have the time and a vaio RZ32 workstation with a P4 2.6 HT 1.5gig ram so long render times arnt a problem for me.The quallity of the project outweighs any time constraints.I will firt try the Gaussian than the median.Thank you!
When spot writes about reducing the opacity it seems like greek to me.
well... I think you have hit the nail on the head! I burned a DVDRW last night of the mix to check it over and the most notable thing I saw that bothered me was that the Blacks on the DV were not even 1/2 as black as they are on the Hi8 shot. If I adjusted this (?) Wouldnt that reduce the white bleed and noise to a more acceptable level?
and finally the little square on the surround panner...Is that saposed to be where the action in the shot comes from or where the listener would be located? (that seems like a dumb question but...)
Please anyone with any further experiance the help is apreciated!
Thank you!
Yahoo! Serious

Yahoo_Serious wrote on 12/23/2003, 6:57 PM

Just to follow up.. I am 72+ hours into the process of smoothing out that DV video with 2 color corection filters and the median filter.
Farss you warned me that it would take a long time...But I had NO IDEA what you ment untill now..I am running a p4 2.6ghz HT with 1.5gig of ram and it is only at 81%...
Looks super sweet though!
Manny thanks to the help in this forum without you all i ould be still scratching my head.
Thanks!
Yahoo!