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Kimberly wrote on 11/21/2014, 9:55 AM
What is your intended delivery format? If you are doing DVD or BD, examine your available choices in DVD-A. You may have good luck with 1280x720 50p. Your 50p footage should resize well enough, and your 24p should be tolerably good.

Regards,

Kimberly
pilsburypie wrote on 11/21/2014, 1:11 PM
Cheers Kimberly - My output is going to be in several formats. 1080 50p for me with my PS3, 1080 50i for my parents with their Bluray player and DVD 25p for the inlaws.

The only test I've done so far is to render the 24p footage in with my main 1080 50p project as 1080 50p mp4 and the results are pretty shocking! Unfortunately the 24p footage is quite fast paced with lots of movement - probably the worst situation for a mix of frame rates.
john_dennis wrote on 11/21/2014, 3:40 PM

" ...a 1 minute clip from the TV 24p..."

I'd convert the 24p (likely 23.97) to some multiple of 25 fps first and get it out of the way since everything else should be less problematic.

The nuclear option follows:

Drop the 24p (or 23.97) clip on the timeline of a 24p (23.97) project.

Render to a still image sequence (.PNG).

Render audio as a separate .WAV file.

Open the still image sequence in a 25p project. (Most people don't care about the slight time difference.)

Add audio and CTRL-drag the length to match the video. (Set elastique as the Time Shift / Pitch Shift Method in the audio properties.)

Render to a 25p lossless codec for use in your main project..

Edit: Changed antiquated text formatting.

PeterDuke wrote on 11/21/2014, 5:23 PM
Instead of using an image sequence, try this method:

set project properties to 24p and load in your 24p video.

Change timeline to absolute frames. Note the number of frames.

Set project properties to 25p.

CTRL-drag the end of the video until you get the same number of frames.
musicvid10 wrote on 11/21/2014, 5:53 PM
Most often its just speeded up, I believe.
farss wrote on 11/21/2014, 6:27 PM
[I]"Most often its just speeded up, I believe. "[/I]

Yes, the whole 24p <--> 25p thing is a no brainer that's been done for a generation by just running the film slower or faster. I say slow faster because quite a lot of film was shot at 25 fps.

There is however the problem of just how 50p is going to look as 23.976p and so far the OP is not impressed. Given that his content has fast motion it's never going to be great, if you've ever wondered why movies only had so much tight coverage of things like basketball in them, that's why.
What *might* help here is to just do it the most basic way in Vegas and let it resample the footage. That might impart enough motion blur to keep the footage watchable, I don't know for sure, here it's very much a case of trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear :(

Bob.
Rainer wrote on 11/21/2014, 6:31 PM
Exactly like Peter says. This topic comes up every so often. I'd just add disable resample, then render to an intermediate format (e.g Sony .mxf), use this on your timeline with your "PAL" footage. Vegas takes care of the pitch shift automatically.
pilsburypie wrote on 11/22/2014, 2:37 PM
Thanks all for the great replies. I basically went down the absolute frames route, disabled resample and ctrl dragged the clips to the exact amount of frames.

Still not perfectly smooth, but much better. As I said, this was just a short few clips that I was desperate to have in my video. The aim of making it a bit more tolerable has been achieved with your help

Cheers
Steve8 wrote on 11/23/2014, 10:45 AM
I've always wondered how to handle this situation......
I didn't get very well the "stretch the frames part"...
I'm on the same boat as i usually shot 95% of hte videos in HDV 108050i and i have tons on footage shot in 24p with a D5100.
Reading your posts guys i should open a new project in 24p and open the 24 p files right? then i should stretch with the CTRL button till where?
Sorry for my english and for not understanding well

john_dennis wrote on 11/23/2014, 11:46 AM
"[I]then i should stretch with the CTRL button till where?[/I]"

As Peter Duke said: to the same number of Absolute Frames that you noted with the Project Properties set to 24p.

Video on the timeline in 24p project has 960 frames.

Video on the timeline in 25p project has 1000 frames.

Control-Drag the video in 25p project to 960 frames.
Steve8 wrote on 11/23/2014, 1:32 PM
Whwn you say "Change timeline to absolute frames. Note the number of frames" what do you exactly mean? Should i change any settings of the timeline on how to view the timeline??
Sorry for the question but it's the first time i hear something like this

Thanks
john_dennis wrote on 11/23/2014, 2:23 PM


In the lower right corner below the timeline, right click on the first counter box. A context sensitive menu will appear where you can select Absolute Frames as the counter type.
Steve8 wrote on 11/23/2014, 2:39 PM
WOW! Thank you so much!
Never heard about it!That's why i love this comunity....The knowledge never stops!

john_dennis wrote on 11/23/2014, 2:52 PM
You're welcome. Many members of this forum explained many things to me that broke the log-jams in my knowledge.
pilsburypie wrote on 11/23/2014, 3:13 PM
+1 to this forum being a font of knowledge. There is no way I would have found out answers to most of my issues without it.
Steve8 wrote on 11/23/2014, 3:41 PM
As i'll have Vegas in front of me i ll try your suggestion to see if i solve the problem. Thank you