3D Preview

Rob Franks wrote on 7/26/2011, 5:47 PM

It's not quite as simple as you've been led to believe (I have a nvidia 3d card as well)

You need a few additional items:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_3D_VisionKit_us.html

Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/27/2011, 3:42 AM

The requirement of Vegas 10 for 3D is that you use a quadro card - you find that in the help-file, unfortunately not in the product specification.
I can confirm that a quadro 2000 works fine for the 3D preview.

However, I do not know what kind of graphic card you have built in.

Rob Franks wrote on 7/27/2011, 4:54 AM

"The requirement of Vegas 10 for 3D is that you use a

Are you sure? I can't find that listed as a "requirement" anywhere.

Meanwhile... here's a full list of nvidia 3d capable cards:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-requirements.html

farss wrote on 7/27/2011, 5:22 AM

" I can't find that listed as a "requirement" anywhere."

It is not listed as a requirement, as stated it is listed in the online help. To support 120 Hz displays with active shutter glasses, use the Left and Right mode with a graphics card that supports NVIDIA 3D Vision for Quadro.

Link to the professional 3D NVIDIA systems that the help file refers to: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-pro-requirements.html

Bob.

Xander wrote on 7/27/2011, 5:45 AM

Wolfgang, did you have to do any manual configs to the settings in the Nvidia control panel to get it to work? I find playback is hit and miss on my Quadroon FX 4800, I.e. It pops in and out of 3d playback with no rhyme or reason.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/27/2011, 7:15 AM

Yes, Bob is right. You find the information, that a Quadro card is required, in the help file of Vegas only. But here you have the statment as posted by Bob, what is quite clear. Unfortunately, it does not help anything to look to the nVidia side - since it is up to SCS to specify what Vegas needs (and that must be done by SCS, but not by nVidia).

More important, please be aware that you do NOT need the "3D Vision PRO" equipment for Vegas. The cheaper "3D Vision" is enough and works fine. SCS specifies that in the help file too, since they are talking about "3D Vision" but not about "3D Vision Pro". Here Bob is not right.

Yes, you have to do some manuel configurations to get the Quadro to work. Unfortunately, that is not documented by SCS too - but a German Forum has tested and described that for a Quadro 4000. Have a look to this page (only to the picture since it is in German):

http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Sony-Vegas-Pro-10---Multitalent-auf-Speed--Nvidia-Quadro-4000.html

First you have to add Vegas to the list (1).

Then in (2) you have to enable stereo - in the German driver set "stereo - aktivieren" to "ein" - I assume that it is in English something like "stereo - enable" to "on" or so.

And then you have to set "stereo Anzeigemodus" what means as much as "stereo displaymode" maybe to "generic active stereo (nvidia...)"

Well, I am not sure if that is the exact wording in English - but if you do so, and start Vegas, the 3D monitor is forced to the 3D modus. Worked fine for me.

noslenwerdna wrote on 7/27/2011, 4:03 PM

I have two computers with 3D capability, the first is a tower unit with an nVidia 9800 GT (not a quadro) and the stereoscopic preview works just fine. This machine is hooked up to a Samsung 3D DLP and runs in the checkerboard mode. The 3D does not work in the preview window but when I click on the external preview and it switches to full screen... Pow!!! 3D jumps right out of the screen and the preview is awesome.

Like I said, 3D on a non-Quadro nVidia card.

My second setup is a Dell notebook with 3D built in. The notebook has a nVidia GT550M card built in, an emitter built in and a 3D capable LCD, all built in. All of my other 3D stereographic apps work fine. They turn on the emitter and once again, Pow! 3D popping out of the screen. Unfortunately, I can not find a setup that will allow the 3D to work on the notebook, which is a shame because that is the only reason I purchased the notebook. Right now, I have to render a test video and play it back on my Stereoscopic Player application, which by the way is awesome.

So, does anybody have any idea why the video works in 3D on my tower but not on my notebook? I am beginning to wonder if it is because the nVidia control panel sees my Samsung as a second monitor even though it is the only one that I use on the machine. I am starting to think that there is a communication problem between Sony Vegas and nVidia that will only allow the 3D on a second monitor. I am going to test this theory by connecting a second monitor and seeing what happens... but I am still hopeful that somebody will have a better answer.

You guys are the gurus and I bow to your greatness!

Thanks for any help,
Andrew

Marton wrote on 7/28/2011, 4:09 AM

Maybe softmodding geforce->quadro also can help?

Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/28/2011, 4:32 AM

@ Andrew,

as said in the other thread - please check the documentation on page 450/51. There are different 3D preview units. For the "120 Hz displays with shutter glasses, you have to use the "left and right" mode with most graphic cards that support 3D vision für Quadro". So if you run such a 120 Hz display with active shutter glasses and nvidia 3D vision, I understand that you have to use a Quadro. I assume that this happens in your notebook - you have no quadro but a 3D capable LCD.

On your tower you have a DLP what runs with the checkerboard mode - that is another modus in Vegas.

noslenwerdna wrote on 7/28/2011, 1:40 PM

So... is it that Vegas needs to add 3D Vision (non Quadro) support or nVidia needs to support Vegas? I'm only asking to see if I can get the right group working on this for us notebook users who want to preview in 3D. I am not aware of any notebooks with an nVidia Quadro, not to say one doesn't exist but there are many 3D notebooks including Sony's that use the nVidia 550M. My point being that if I had purchased Sony's notebook it wouldn't support 3D preview in Vegas either.

I have contacted Sony tech support but they have not yet gotten back to me, hopefully they will have some good news.

Thanks for all the helpful input, I really do appreciate this forum.

-Andrew

Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/29/2011, 1:30 AM

I think it is realistic to say, that Vegas needs to support nvidas 3D vision - what is done but by using the quadro cards.

I think there are mobile workstation solutions by nvida, see here: http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx_family.html

but the 550m is no quadro. So I understand your issue - the Sony notebook has no quadro card, so maybe the Sony software does not support the sony notebook I am afraid to say.

I do not know, if your Sony notebook supports another 3D modes too, for example line alternate or side-by-side (or other modes). If that would be possible, maybe you could use that modes for the Vegas preview, since it is also possible to use a HDTV for that purpose.

But that is a guess, not more.Can you say anything about what 3D modes are supported by your notebook? What notebook is it in detail?

noslenwerdna wrote on 7/29/2011, 12:51 PM

Wolfgang,

Thanks again for all the help and suggestions, I have found out that the only mode that works on my notebook is the NVIDIA 3D Vision mode which is not available in Sony Vegas.

I have tried all possible permutations with all of my 3D applications and it is necessary that they support the NVIDIA 3D Vision mode of stereoscopic 3d. Also, some applications such as Google Earth in stereoscopic mode only work with the latest set of nVidia drivers, which I have.

My hardware is as follows:
Dell XPS 17" 3D Notebook
Intel Core i7-2630QM 2.0GHz with turbo
8 GB
nVidia GT550M w/ 1 GB
nVidia 3D Vision
120 Hz 1920 x 1080 32bit LCD display
Windows 7 x64

It's a pretty good machine and I know that the 3D is both Direct X and OpenGL capable. I have contacted Sony to see if they can do something for us notebook users to support nVidia 3D Vision.

-Andrew

Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/29/2011, 3:15 PM

"the only mode that works on my notebook is the NVIDIA 3D Vision mode which is not available in Sony Vegas"

Well, the nvidia 3D vision mode is available in Vegas, but as said for a Quadro only - unfortunately. You select that mode with choosing the settings
- device: stereoscopic 3D graphic card
- mode: left and right

If 3D will not work out on your notebook using those settings (what it will not do I think), I am afraid it will not work with 10e. You would need a notebook with a quadro, I think:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx_go.html

Please understand that this is only my assumption, I cannot take any guarantee for that!