4K Editing?

Ray & Paula wrote on 5/9/2014, 11:03 AM
Hi, I am really excited about the 4K camcorders to say the least. My concern is about workflow in VegasI I normally burn to DVD, but I haven't seen anyone's workflow and/or results with burning to DVD using the 4K XAVC S format. I would like to know what workflow is being used to achieve great results with these camcorders. In addition, what is needed for editing XAVC S in terms of a workstation? I'd like to add that I'm currently using Vegas Pro 9.0, I do realize that I would need to step up to Vegas 13 for starters. Thanks in advance for all your help. Ray
My computers specs;
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
Motherboard: Intel DX48BT2
CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme processor QX9650 3GHz 1333MHz 12MB
Hard Drive 1: (C Drive) 1TB Samsung HD103UJ SATA2 7200rpm 32MB
Hard Drive 2: (2x750GB Raid 0) Samsung HD753LJ 750GB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB
Hard Drive 3: (2x750GB Raid 0) Samsung HD753LJ 750GB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB
Graphics Card: PNY Quadro FX3700 512MB GDDR3 Workstation PCI Express 2.0x16, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, Stereo, Dual VGA Support

Comments

Ray & Paula wrote on 5/9/2014, 12:09 PM
Hi, Just came across this awesome article to share with all;
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/getting_on_board_with_the_4K_revolutiion

This really explains a lot in regards to workflow with 4K. Now, is my computer able to handle it? I really like the fact that Vegas Pro 12 has a new proxy feature as explained in the article, so hopefully my current workstation can handle everything. Now the big question "if possible" is how to get close to 4K clarity to DVD? Please chime in your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks, Ray
videoITguy wrote on 5/9/2014, 12:44 PM
Please put your systems specs in your profile ....
Ray & Paula wrote on 5/9/2014, 12:49 PM
Sorry.......
Ray & Paula wrote on 5/9/2014, 9:55 PM
I noticed that I didn't list my 8gb RAM in my specs. This by the way is maxed out on my mother board. Ray
JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/10/2014, 10:33 AM
Sony's Vegas Pro 13.0 specification page list 8-core, 16GB memory, and RAID as minimum for 4K work. Usually these are "bare" minimums so I'm guessing that 12-core, 24GB memory, and 3-4 disk RAID 0 is probably closer to what you'll need to build.

~jr
GregFlowers wrote on 5/10/2014, 11:52 AM
If you are delivering to DVD you are only going to be able to retain so much quality. No matter if you are starting with 4K or HD you are ending up with 720x480. Obviously higher quality source video usually results in better end result. But if you are going to DVD instead of Blu Ray you may be shooting yourself in the foot. You may want to upgrade to delivering to Blu Ray before upgrading your workstation. You should have no problem editing the proxies with your current workstation with Vegas 13.
Hulk wrote on 5/10/2014, 2:48 PM
In my opinion your CPU is overmatched for 1080p AVCHD editing, much less 4k.

You have a Penryn. After Penryn it was Nahalem, then Westmere, then Sandy Bridge, then Ivy Bridge, and now Haswell with Broadwell around the corner.
So you CPU is about 5 generations behind.
DataMeister wrote on 5/10/2014, 4:33 PM
The link above had too many "i" in the URL. It should be...

[url=http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/getting_on_board_with_the_4K_revolution]

In case anyone didn't figure it out.
john_dennis wrote on 5/10/2014, 4:54 PM
I made a lot of [I]Blu-ray[/I] disks with a Q9450 but I wouldn't want to have to deal with 4K on that machine (which I still use for general computing). As suggested, you need to find an HD delivery methodology before you ramp up to 4K acquisition...

...unless you have children and just want to get the best video you can on a hard drive so you can embarrass them when they're teenagers.
Mark_e wrote on 5/10/2014, 5:03 PM
I've just started 4k editing with vegas, well for 2k delivery have twin zeon 8 core so 16 threads, 16 gig and 780ti gpu and it's just about ok working on 2k scaled and cropped footage with 4k as the source without proxying, going to at least double my ram, first time i've had my system paging all the time and maxing out CPU with vegas. good news is in vegas 13 it's the first time I've actually managed to get it to use all my resources so I'm pleased usually I was like come on there's half not used what are you doing under the covers :-) fingers crossed it continues to scale as I beef it up a bit.

edit just made change from other thread to gpu settings in internal up to 3 gig and now it's playing back pretty much real time with a few plugins perhaps I won't have to add more memory after all :) seems a lot more balanced now
Ray & Paula wrote on 5/11/2014, 9:26 AM
Thanks for the replies....... I figured that I would need to invest into a new workstation for 4K. In addition, I do understand that using Blu-ray for my final output won't put me any where near the 4K clarity, but of course, it would be better than DVD. I have read somewhere that it would "look" better than 1920x1080p hd. I'm sure that future NLE's will bring better processing/editing to the table. The more I research 4K, the more I'm thinking that maybe now is not the time to make the transition/investment. I'm sure it would take around $5000.00 just for a workable workstation to handle it without any hiccups. I have all I can do editing HD on the system I have now. I'll keep researching what other people are doing and using to run 4K smoothly. Again, thanks for your help. Ray