5.1 in V5 will not isolate rear speakers

JJKizak wrote on 5/5/2004, 7:47 AM
If I move the surround controller red thingy to center rear the resulting volume is equal on both front and rear, not like in V4 when everything
went to where you put it. Its like the "Downmix" button is always pushed but it's not. Am I missing something here?

JJK

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Jay Gladwell wrote on 5/5/2004, 9:44 AM
I was having the same problem... I thought it was me or something I was doing. Hope to hear from Sony soon on this one!

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JJKizak wrote on 5/5/2004, 2:53 PM
God, thank you, it's not me doing something stupid.
daryl wrote on 5/6/2004, 6:38 AM
Add me to the list, Sony, hep us!
donp wrote on 5/6/2004, 6:41 AM
Me too I have been adjusting the Lr and Rr down to nothing on my 3.1 mixes, if I understand what's happening correctly.
SonyEPM wrote on 5/6/2004, 6:43 AM
What pan model are you using? Is your 5.1 routing set up correctly?
Trichome wrote on 5/6/2004, 9:26 AM
I also can't get rear speakrs to solo.
5.1 surround working properly otherwise


JJKizak wrote on 5/6/2004, 9:32 AM
I tried every option that I could find. My guess is that it is stuck in the stereo downmix mode. It always duplicates the total rear speakers to the front (observing the volume indicators) .

JJK
Jay Gladwell wrote on 5/6/2004, 10:37 AM
SonyEPM, it was working just fine in V4 excellent channel separation, but when I installed V5 I lost it. Will check on "pan model" to see what that is!

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Jay Gladwell wrote on 5/6/2004, 10:59 AM
Okay, I was found asleep at the wheel. I had failed to go into "Audio Devices" under "Preferences" and adjust the "Audio device type" tp "Direct Sound Mapper."

I'm using the M-Audio Revolution 7.1 sound card. But I don't understand why I can't use the M-Audio Revo ASIO setting. Any ideas???

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Trichome wrote on 5/6/2004, 11:11 AM
Yay!
you rock!

that fixed it for me too also JKL shuttle still works, unlike switching to Microsoft Sound Mapper.
pwppch wrote on 5/6/2004, 11:16 AM
As long as the driver (ASIO) permits you to routed the front/cente/lfe/rear to specific hardware ports, then you can use the ASIO driver.

You must make sure that the Surround Master bus is properly routed to the correct stereo pairs that will make up the Front,Rear, and Center/LFE speakers of your system. Some ASIO devices explicitly name them, while others do not. You may have to mess around with the hardware routing to get this to work correctly.

The DirectSound Mapper relys on Windows to channelize the audio.

If you select the standard Mapper or WaveClassic driver for your hardware, the driver and/or Windows may just spread all channels accross all hardware channels to provide what it is considering a 'consitent mix" for that uber "web surfing experiance".

Peter

JJKizak wrote on 5/6/2004, 12:19 PM
Well it sure doesn't work for me. If I turn the automation controls to different settings the red thingy in the panner changes position all over
the place. Sometimes in the center, sometimes all the way to the rear. My rear speakers will not isolate no matter what is selected (Microsoft mapper, Surround, ASIO with channels selected, etc.

JJK
Jay Gladwell wrote on 5/6/2004, 12:39 PM
Did you try the Direct Sound Mapper?

What kind of sound card do you have?

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JJKizak wrote on 5/6/2004, 3:02 PM
I have a Creative Audigy. Yes, I tried all of them. And also with the automation settings on and off which when they are off the red thingygoes
to the center center from the rear center. If I turn the automation on the red thingy goes to rear center but it plays center center. This is with the cursor on the keyframe which is set for rear center. With the preferences set to ASIO and the front to front, rear to rear, and center/lfe . This worked super in V4 but it won't work now. So what I am saying is with the red thingy set to rear center I get almost the same volume in the front speakers. Nothing was changed equipment wise, just updated to V5 and DVDA2. I can however
get max volume in the front speakers with the red thingy set to front center and there is nothing at all in the rear speakers. All of the rear settings got lowered to about -45 on the rear volume indicators after the project was saved into V5, but I didn't realize what happened for a few days. I guess its not a big deal as i can render it stereo. One thing for sure is that it is not working.

JJK
Jay Gladwell wrote on 5/6/2004, 3:47 PM
That's weird. Do you still have Vegas 4 loaded on your machine? If so, you might want to go back and double check all your settings and duplicate them in 5. Sorry I can't be of more help.

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JJKizak wrote on 5/6/2004, 5:11 PM
I sold V4 to my guru buddy. He is happy as hell. I might have to do a re-install.
This project was started and almost completed in V4 before I transferred it to V5. As of right now (I didn't check everything of course) this is the only thing that doesn't seem to function correctly. Maybe I have to reload the Asio drivers. When this project first loads it consumes 166megs of memory and when it renders it hovers around 1.4gig.
Thanks.

JJK
Jay Gladwell wrote on 5/6/2004, 5:50 PM
That being the case, unless you kept a version of the veggie file as a 4.0 file, once it was saved in 5.0, it won't load back into Vegas 4.

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pwppch wrote on 5/6/2004, 7:47 PM
I have not been able to reproduce the problem that you are decribing. I believe you are running into the new trim + automation(keyframe) modes of Vegas 5. This is different than Vegas 4.

There are two different stages now to Vegas' audio pan settings.

One is the "trim" or static value and one is for the automation value.

Realize that these work together and both contribute to the "surround pan".

By default, automation is in touch mode, which means that after you let go of the thumb, the control will move back to the last position BEFORE you started to record automation.

If you are in Latch mode, then the last move you make will be final state the thumb is left at.

If you are in Read, then the automation mode will not affect the pan position.

To be have like Vegas 4, you should set the thumb to the center postion by double clicking on it.

Switch the track to automation mode, and then set either the latch or touch mode.

Now, when you start to play, you will be 'recording your pan settings".

If you DONT want to record new keyframes, turn the automation for that track to read. You can then adjust relative offsets of the keyframes using the "trim" mode of the surround panner.

Yes, this is different than Vegas 4 and it requires you to relearn how this all works. Keyframes are continuous now in Vegas surround panner when you record them using automation.

Also, you have to make sure that you set the pan mode to what you desire. You may want to review the help and/or docs on all of this.

Peter





JJKizak wrote on 5/7/2004, 7:21 AM
SontPCH:
First thanks for the help. Second everything you said works fine when I create a new track in a new project in V5. But the project I have the problem with is one that was created in V4 with 12 sound tracks. If I create a new project with a new track it plays back absolutely perfect. If I play back one track (solo) in the V4 project it puts all the rear speakers evenly on the rear and front. That is with all of the settings set the same for the V5 & V4 tracks. I don't think this is worth loosing any sleep over but if you have any more ideas that would be kool.

JJK