720p60 to Bluray workflow

TeetimeNC wrote on 10/14/2011, 5:01 AM
I'm playing around with some 720p60 footage I shot with my Pani HMC150, trying without success to render it to Bluray without DVDA recompress. I'm using Vegas Pro 10e 64 bit, and DVDA 5.2. Whatever I try, I get "Media is not compliant with the disc format" in DVDA. It is the video stream that is not compliant. Here are the steps I'm trying:

1. In Vegas, I match project properties to my clip (1280x720, 59.940 progressive)

2. I render the video stream using the Sony AVC/MVC Default Template (Video 59.940 fps, 1280x720 Progressive, YUV, 768 kbps)

3.In DVDA, I create a new project selecting Blu-ray Disc, AVC 1280x720-60p 16:9

4. When I attempt the Prepare I get the recompress error.

I've also tried rendering to 60i in Vegas but it throws an "unknown problem" error. Has anyone here successfully gotten 720p60 to Bluray?

/jerry

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john_dennis wrote on 10/14/2011, 9:33 AM
Create a custom template from the Sony AVC/MVC Blu-ray 1920x1080-24p, 16 mbps video stream template.

Change frame size: High Definition 1280x720

Profile: High

Frame Rate: 59.94 (Double NTSC)

Field Order: None

Save template with a name you will remember.

In my experience, 16 mbps is about as high as I've been able to get with this method. This is not bad with AVC, however. You could still write it to DVD-5 or DVD-9 and it would play on many players.

If you start with the default template, you have to uncheck the "Include audio" box on the Audio tab and select the Video format "Video elementery stream (.avc)" on the System tab.
There are many ways to get there, but DVD Architect prefers elementery streams.
john_dennis wrote on 10/15/2011, 3:02 PM
Though I virtually always use MPEG-2 for Blu-ray, I burned forty minutes of 720p video to Blu-ray this morning using the AVC template described above. The output looked fine to me during a quick inspection, but the render took three times as long as my normal MPEG-2 renders. Looking at the Windows Task Manager, the render was only using about 1/3 of the available CPU. For my money, Sony has some work to do on this codec to make it more efficient or productive, whatever the word should be.

Storage is cheap, even Blu-ray, but I don't have enough life left for codecs that don't use all the available CPU. In this case, I can't just throw more hardware at the problem, which I am prone to do.
DGates wrote on 10/16/2011, 3:14 AM
I'm the same way. I just don't have the time for those awfully long AVC renders. With Blu-ray, it's always been MPEG2 for me.
TeetimeNC wrote on 10/16/2011, 6:38 AM
John, I tried your recommendation for Sony AVC and it works just as you described. Thanks for that. I also tried setting up an MPEG-2 starting with the MainConcept MPEG-2 Blu-ray 1440x1080-24p, 8 Mbps video stream. This gives the familiar "must recompress" message in DVDA 5.2. Any ideas why we are unable to create a custom 720p60 template for the MainConcept codec?

It seems to me that SCS should include a workable template in Vegas Pro AND DVDA for ALL legal blu-ray and DVD formats.

/jerry
john_dennis wrote on 10/16/2011, 11:01 AM

You probably just missed a small detail with the template you chose to use as a starter. The 1440x1080 template has a different pixel aspect ratio and starts out as interlaced.
I usually start with a progressive template (Blu-ray 1920x1080-24p, 25 mbps video stream) if I'm going to create a different progressive template. (Hint: If you start with a 24p template the I-frames are 12, but for a 60p the number should be 15).

Here are a few templates you can use as examples:

Download Any or All from Here


In Vegas 10 Help, search "template" and follow the steps to move from one machine to another.

You'll get the hang of it.

TeetimeNC wrote on 10/17/2011, 11:15 AM
John, thanks much for the hand holding. The templates you provided work properly. I feel a little silly as I was ensuring the major settings were the same but ignoring the small details as you correctly point out.

/jerry
Siby wrote on 12/3/2011, 4:02 PM
Hi John,
What is the workflow template I should follow for a 1080P footage to burn into Blue ray (24p and 60P).

Also what will be the format I should render into for playing from PC as well.
Thanks in advance.
john_dennis wrote on 12/3/2011, 4:36 PM

"What is the workflow template I should follow for a 1080P footage to burn into Blue ray (24p and 60P)."

If you want progressive:

Mainconcept MPEG-2 Blu-ray 1920x1080-24p, 25 mbps video stream template

or

Sony AVC/MVC Blu-ray 1920x1080-24p, 16 mbps video stream template

60p is not currently supported for 1920x1080 in the Blu-ray specification.

If your source is interlaced you could use one of the interlaced templates.

For playing on a PC or media player, I usually mux the elementery streams from the Blu-ray project to .m2ts in tsMuxer. Some players will play the .iso from DVD Architect.